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What makes it inevitable?

hatefulheart 10mo ago
Good question, it’s not. You're responding to just another Rust and/or LLM fanatic claiming they can predict the future. Dime a dozen on this board.
- isodev 10mo ago
  Hey let’s not put the Rust fanatics in the same bucket as the LLM bros. One is a safe programming language, the other is an overgrown lorem ipsum text generator. We’re not the same :)
  - binary132 10mo ago
    The fact that you’re both getting lumped in the same shill bucket together should give you pause.
    - isodev 10mo ago
      Yes, I paused to comment and moved on
- Sytten 10mo ago
  I will that the Rust fanatic mantle thank you very much. Check your sources though [1]. I dont predict the future I just listen to Linus. [1] https://lwn.net/Articles/1049831/ https://lwn.net/Articles/1049831/
  - hatefulheart 10mo ago
    Sorry to burst your bubble but it takes more than Linus to make Linux.
    - IshKebab 10mo ago
      I suspect you wouldn't be saying that if he had agreed with you.
      - hatefulheart 10mo ago
        I wouldn’t be saying that it takes more than Linus to build Linux if Linus agreed with me? What on earth are you talking about? Don’t quit your day job to become a detective.
        IshKebab 10mo ago
        Absolutely. If Linus had said "Rust for Linux might go away" then you would have said "See! The creator and leader of Linux says Rust is going to go away!" but because he said it is here to stay you're saying "Pff, Linus isn't that important." I won't quit my day job to become a detective because actual detective work isn't this trivial.
        hatefulheart 9mo ago
        Do you think everyone you speak to online is this misinformed or has these takes? I’ve read and listened to enough of Linus to know he says this himself. The Linux kernel is nothing without the maintainers, this is easily observable and everyone knows it. You see the reason you shouldn’t go into detective work is because you’d be terrible at it, not because it’s non-trivial.
Sytten 10mo ago
It has been approved as the same standing as C and assembly, it is there to stay despite what the haters say [1]. Linus is behind the push and for good reasons. Android keeps demonstrating year after year the benefits, at some point I don't know what else to say. [1] https://www.heise.de/en/news/Linux-Kernel-Rust-Support-Officially-Approved-11109808.html https://www.heise.de/en/news/Linux-Kernel-Rust-Support-Offic...
- checker659 10mo ago
  Just because something is beneficial does not mean it will be taken up by the community. My question is (and that is what I'm most interested in atm) what makes Rust's adoption inevitable? Are there people paying to make that happen? Are kernel level security bugs that big of a concern now that migrating to Rust is a pressing issue? Do you see what I mean? (Again, just to clarify my comment: I'm not challenging anyone. It's just that there are hundreds of programming languages out there. Rust's been around for a good while. So, why now? And circling back to my original question, what makes its adoption inevitable?)
  - IshKebab 10mo ago
    I think fundamentally it's because it's a better language than C and more pleasant to write. Sure there will be a lot of old codgers who don't want to learn new things (surprisingly common in the tech industry), but eventually they'll retire or die, and new kernel devs will be very unlikely to pick C over Rust. The security thing is definitely a driving force but I think probably not that much just compared to how much easier and more pleasant it is to write correct Rust than correct C (in most cases).

Good question, it’s not. You're responding to just another Rust and/or LLM fanatic claiming they can predict the future. Dime a dozen on this board.

isodev 10mo ago
Hey let’s not put the Rust fanatics in the same bucket as the LLM bros. One is a safe programming language, the other is an overgrown lorem ipsum text generator. We’re not the same :)
- binary132 10mo ago
  The fact that you’re both getting lumped in the same shill bucket together should give you pause.
  - isodev 10mo ago
    Yes, I paused to comment and moved on
Sytten 10mo ago
I will that the Rust fanatic mantle thank you very much. Check your sources though [1]. I dont predict the future I just listen to Linus. [1] https://lwn.net/Articles/1049831/ https://lwn.net/Articles/1049831/
- hatefulheart 10mo ago
  Sorry to burst your bubble but it takes more than Linus to make Linux.
  - IshKebab 10mo ago
    I suspect you wouldn't be saying that if he had agreed with you.
    - hatefulheart 10mo ago
      I wouldn’t be saying that it takes more than Linus to build Linux if Linus agreed with me? What on earth are you talking about? Don’t quit your day job to become a detective.
      - IshKebab 10mo ago
        Absolutely. If Linus had said "Rust for Linux might go away" then you would have said "See! The creator and leader of Linux says Rust is going to go away!" but because he said it is here to stay you're saying "Pff, Linus isn't that important." I won't quit my day job to become a detective because actual detective work isn't this trivial.
        hatefulheart 9mo ago
        Do you think everyone you speak to online is this misinformed or has these takes? I’ve read and listened to enough of Linus to know he says this himself. The Linux kernel is nothing without the maintainers, this is easily observable and everyone knows it. You see the reason you shouldn’t go into detective work is because you’d be terrible at it, not because it’s non-trivial.

Sytten 10mo ago

It has been approved as the same standing as C and assembly, it is there to stay despite what the haters say [1]. Linus is behind the push and for good reasons. Android keeps demonstrating year after year the benefits, at some point I don't know what else to say. [1] https://www.heise.de/en/news/Linux-Kernel-Rust-Support-Officially-Approved-11109808.html https://www.heise.de/en/news/Linux-Kernel-Rust-Support-Offic...

checker659 10mo ago
Just because something is beneficial does not mean it will be taken up by the community. My question is (and that is what I'm most interested in atm) what makes Rust's adoption inevitable? Are there people paying to make that happen? Are kernel level security bugs that big of a concern now that migrating to Rust is a pressing issue? Do you see what I mean? (Again, just to clarify my comment: I'm not challenging anyone. It's just that there are hundreds of programming languages out there. Rust's been around for a good while. So, why now? And circling back to my original question, what makes its adoption inevitable?)
- IshKebab 10mo ago
  I think fundamentally it's because it's a better language than C and more pleasant to write. Sure there will be a lot of old codgers who don't want to learn new things (surprisingly common in the tech industry), but eventually they'll retire or die, and new kernel devs will be very unlikely to pick C over Rust. The security thing is definitely a driving force but I think probably not that much just compared to how much easier and more pleasant it is to write correct Rust than correct C (in most cases).