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See thats why one needs a sovereign financial and banking system. But tbh, Europeans deserve it, for they use and abuse of sanctions themselves, as some of Swi

See thats why one needs a sovereign financial and banking system. But tbh, Europeans deserve it, for they use and abuse of sanctions themselves, as some of Swiss citizens can attest.

looperhacks 10mo ago
Can you explain what sanctions impact swiss citizens?
- sakex 10mo ago
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  - simion314 10mo ago
    >If we don't comply, they will impose sanctions. They are even trying to make gun ownership illegal in Switzerland... UK is the proof that nobody is forced to be part of EU or have good relations with EU. EU also forces food not contain excrements, where is your freedom to buy food with exfements? As you can see I can also say ridiculous things.
  - peterfirefly 10mo ago
    You can't just hold a referendum to decide the relations between Switzerland and the EU -- the EU also gets to have a say. We have been incredibly patient with Switzerland in this regard but it can't continue. You must respect the agreements we already have with you and you cannot dictate the terms of new agreements with us. (Background: some of the agreements with Switzerland have run out and we need new ones to replace them. Both sides continue as if the old agreements are still valid, Switzerland because it would hurt the country enormously if we didn't, the EU because it avoids antagonizing Switzerland and because it would slightly annoying if we didn't. We can literally take our marbles and go home without breaking any treaties with Switzerland. Many Swiss don't seem to understand that.)
    - sakex 10mo ago
      Exactly like Trump is doing to you.
      - peterfirefly 10mo ago
        No, Trump is breaking existing agreements.
  - orwin 10mo ago
    Gun ownership is legal in France, why would EU care about it in Switzerland? Are you sure this information is from a trustworthy source? The rest I see where you're coming from, but this particular bit sounds like propaganda to me.
- derelicta 10mo ago
  Straight from the horse's mouth: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/foreign-affairs/former-swiss-intelligence-officer-targeted-by-new-eu-sanctions-on-russia/90665703 https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/foreign-affairs/former-swiss-in... Sanctions on Jacques Baud for anti-war activism: https://data.europa.eu/apps/eusanctionstracker/subjects/180245 https://data.europa.eu/apps/eusanctionstracker/subjects/1802... Sanctions on Nathalie Camp for of anti-colonialist speech: https://data.europa.eu/apps/eusanctionstracker/subjects/176443 https://data.europa.eu/apps/eusanctionstracker/subjects/1764...
drooopy 10mo ago
Are you referring to Jacques Baud who has been sanctioned recently because he has been working as a mouthpiece of the russian government?
- newsclues 10mo ago
  I’ve seen his interviews on YouTube and I’m not sure if he is a Russian asset or just says things contrary to the western narrative. There is a propaganda war. So what hard evidence that he is working for the Russians?
- YY348762378 10mo ago
  Jaques Baud is not a "mouthpiece". He has never appeared on Russian state TV and has taken great pains to avoid citing Russian sources in his analysis. The problem is that what he has been saying about the Ukraine war (that the war is not winnable and peace should be negotiated as soon as possible) is dangerous as to European leadership.
  - TheOtherHobbes 10mo ago
    It's not remotely dangerous to the European leadership. It is dangerous to EU citizens who are on the receiving end of a campaign to radicalise national governments with far-right Russian-funded puppet regimes which will - clearly, as we can see in the US - be absolutely hostile to existing freedoms.
    - modo_mario 10mo ago
      Honestly I feel like people won't care and the sanctioning helps less and less if it doesn't do the opposite. They feel like repeatedly the baby was thrown out with the bathwater wrt migration and the like despite popular opinion being very much against those. Often getting no genuine choice of opposition that wasn't fringe right. Now I know so many people who will in turn throw out the bathwater containing their national or supranational interests, rule of law (that limited their options), etc. People who one will struggle to reach across the isle... and it was utterly predictable.
abc123abc123 10mo ago
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- Phelinofist 10mo ago
  Can you give examples of the little freedom of speech?
- krior 10mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exce...
- OKRainbowKid 10mo ago
  Which "leftists" have monopolized the EU? What positions do they have to exert that kind of power, and what parties are they affiliated with? Or is the EPP with the likes of Weber and von der Leyen "leftist" now? You have move quite far towards the extreme right for traditional conservative politicians to appear "leftist" to you.
- Kim_Bruning 10mo ago
  By "conservative/nationalist", do you mean <MAGA-Aligned> , like PVV or AFD?
- WA 10mo ago
  Nationalism is on the rise in most EU countries and they get away with saying all kinds of things you apparently dream about, but feel censored to say. The tale of lacking free speech is a lie. Free speech in the EU is different from the US. Insulting people is not considered free speech in the EU. Calling "fire" in a packed cinema wrongly is not covered by free speech in the EU. You can say a lot of things, but you might feel social pressure, which is a feature, not a bug.
avianlyric 10mo ago
> See thats why one needs a sovereign financial and banking system. You mean a sovereign financial and banking system like the one currently freezing some $200B of Russian assets? Yeah I think the EU already has one of those.
- blibble 10mo ago
  SWIFT is belgian...
  - SanjayMehta 10mo ago
    Aren't all SWIFT transactions over a certain amount routed to the US for approval?
    - avianlyric 10mo ago
      That is not how SWIFT works at all. SWIFT is basically a peer to peer financial network between banks. Any bank can send any amount of money to any other bank, without any kind of approval from the US, provided they have an appropriate common facility. Which could be anything from both banks having accounts at a different common bank, or both banks holding accounts at a common national bank, which allows them to transact directly.
      - SanjayMehta 10mo ago
        Pretty sure I saw an article describing some approval process. While trying to find it I found references to FATCA, TFTP, and some reporting by the NYT https://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/23/washington/23intel.html https://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/23/washington/23intel.html
        disgruntledphd2 10mo ago
        The US can and does sanction entities that facilitate transactions it doesn't like, by cutting them off from the dollar system. That may be the source of your confusion.
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See thats why one needs a sovereign financial and banking system. But tbh, Europeans deserve it, for they use and abuse of sanctions themselves, as some of Swiss citizens can attest.

looperhacks 10mo ago

Can you explain what sanctions impact swiss citizens?

sakex 10mo ago
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- simion314 10mo ago
  >If we don't comply, they will impose sanctions. They are even trying to make gun ownership illegal in Switzerland... UK is the proof that nobody is forced to be part of EU or have good relations with EU. EU also forces food not contain excrements, where is your freedom to buy food with exfements? As you can see I can also say ridiculous things.
- peterfirefly 10mo ago
  You can't just hold a referendum to decide the relations between Switzerland and the EU -- the EU also gets to have a say. We have been incredibly patient with Switzerland in this regard but it can't continue. You must respect the agreements we already have with you and you cannot dictate the terms of new agreements with us. (Background: some of the agreements with Switzerland have run out and we need new ones to replace them. Both sides continue as if the old agreements are still valid, Switzerland because it would hurt the country enormously if we didn't, the EU because it avoids antagonizing Switzerland and because it would slightly annoying if we didn't. We can literally take our marbles and go home without breaking any treaties with Switzerland. Many Swiss don't seem to understand that.)
  - sakex 10mo ago
    Exactly like Trump is doing to you.
    - peterfirefly 10mo ago
      No, Trump is breaking existing agreements.
- orwin 10mo ago
  Gun ownership is legal in France, why would EU care about it in Switzerland? Are you sure this information is from a trustworthy source? The rest I see where you're coming from, but this particular bit sounds like propaganda to me.
derelicta 10mo ago
Straight from the horse's mouth: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/foreign-affairs/former-swiss-intelligence-officer-targeted-by-new-eu-sanctions-on-russia/90665703 https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/foreign-affairs/former-swiss-in... Sanctions on Jacques Baud for anti-war activism: https://data.europa.eu/apps/eusanctionstracker/subjects/180245 https://data.europa.eu/apps/eusanctionstracker/subjects/1802... Sanctions on Nathalie Camp for of anti-colonialist speech: https://data.europa.eu/apps/eusanctionstracker/subjects/176443 https://data.europa.eu/apps/eusanctionstracker/subjects/1764...

drooopy 10mo ago

Are you referring to Jacques Baud who has been sanctioned recently because he has been working as a mouthpiece of the russian government?

newsclues 10mo ago
I’ve seen his interviews on YouTube and I’m not sure if he is a Russian asset or just says things contrary to the western narrative. There is a propaganda war. So what hard evidence that he is working for the Russians?
YY348762378 10mo ago
Jaques Baud is not a "mouthpiece". He has never appeared on Russian state TV and has taken great pains to avoid citing Russian sources in his analysis. The problem is that what he has been saying about the Ukraine war (that the war is not winnable and peace should be negotiated as soon as possible) is dangerous as to European leadership.
- TheOtherHobbes 10mo ago
  It's not remotely dangerous to the European leadership. It is dangerous to EU citizens who are on the receiving end of a campaign to radicalise national governments with far-right Russian-funded puppet regimes which will - clearly, as we can see in the US - be absolutely hostile to existing freedoms.
  - modo_mario 10mo ago
    Honestly I feel like people won't care and the sanctioning helps less and less if it doesn't do the opposite. They feel like repeatedly the baby was thrown out with the bathwater wrt migration and the like despite popular opinion being very much against those. Often getting no genuine choice of opposition that wasn't fringe right. Now I know so many people who will in turn throw out the bathwater containing their national or supranational interests, rule of law (that limited their options), etc. People who one will struggle to reach across the isle... and it was utterly predictable.

abc123abc123 10mo ago

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Phelinofist 10mo ago
Can you give examples of the little freedom of speech?
krior 10mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exce...
OKRainbowKid 10mo ago
Which "leftists" have monopolized the EU? What positions do they have to exert that kind of power, and what parties are they affiliated with? Or is the EPP with the likes of Weber and von der Leyen "leftist" now? You have move quite far towards the extreme right for traditional conservative politicians to appear "leftist" to you.
Kim_Bruning 10mo ago
By "conservative/nationalist", do you mean <MAGA-Aligned> , like PVV or AFD?
WA 10mo ago
Nationalism is on the rise in most EU countries and they get away with saying all kinds of things you apparently dream about, but feel censored to say. The tale of lacking free speech is a lie. Free speech in the EU is different from the US. Insulting people is not considered free speech in the EU. Calling "fire" in a packed cinema wrongly is not covered by free speech in the EU. You can say a lot of things, but you might feel social pressure, which is a feature, not a bug.

avianlyric 10mo ago

> See thats why one needs a sovereign financial and banking system. You mean a sovereign financial and banking system like the one currently freezing some $200B of Russian assets? Yeah I think the EU already has one of those.

blibble 10mo ago
SWIFT is belgian...
- SanjayMehta 10mo ago
  Aren't all SWIFT transactions over a certain amount routed to the US for approval?
  - avianlyric 10mo ago
    That is not how SWIFT works at all. SWIFT is basically a peer to peer financial network between banks. Any bank can send any amount of money to any other bank, without any kind of approval from the US, provided they have an appropriate common facility. Which could be anything from both banks having accounts at a different common bank, or both banks holding accounts at a common national bank, which allows them to transact directly.
    - SanjayMehta 10mo ago
      Pretty sure I saw an article describing some approval process. While trying to find it I found references to FATCA, TFTP, and some reporting by the NYT https://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/23/washington/23intel.html https://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/23/washington/23intel.html
      - disgruntledphd2 10mo ago
        The US can and does sanction entities that facilitate transactions it doesn't like, by cutting them off from the dollar system. That may be the source of your confusion.

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