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At what point does the top brass at Flock get arrested?

reactordev 10mo ago
Oh they’re buddies with all the departments. Fat chance.
SamInTheShell 10mo ago
Rather just see them get Flocked honestly. Seems like the type of tech a child would dream up only to realize when it's too late that it's dystopian, creepy, and a detriment to society.
- zrobotics 10mo ago
  Building the torment nexus...
cons0le 10mo ago
In your dreams maybe
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fuckflock 10mo ago
By top brass do you mean the people behind this website? > The financing was led by Andreessen Horowitz, with backing from Greenoaks Capital, Bedrock Capital. Meritech Capital, Matrix Partners, Sands Capital, Founders Fund, Kleiner Perkins, Tiger Global, and Y Combinator also participated. https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/flock-safety-secures-major-funding https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/flock-safety-secures-major-...
gruez 10mo ago
For what? Under current jurisprudence collecting license plates images isn't illegal, because there's no expectation of privacy in public. They could post the information online if they wanted to and they'd be in the clear. It's fine to object to ANPR networks on the basis of "mass surveillance" or whatever, but screaming for people to be arrested without legal basis, just because you don't like what they're doing is childish and counterproductive to the conversation.
- deleted 10mo ago
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- givemeethekeys 10mo ago
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  - gruez 10mo ago
    You're probably being facetious, but aiding criminals isn't illegal unless you're knowingly doing it. Signal is known to be used by criminals, and on top their app is specifically designed to frustrate law enforcement, yet they stayed clear of lawsuits.
    - givemeethekeys 10mo ago
      Not the same at all because Signal helps celebrities and very important public figures communicate securely and privately. Flock is helping the rapists stalk their ex-wives.
      - gruez 10mo ago
        "Not the same at all because Flock helps companies and public safety agencies detect and monitor crime. Signal is helping cartels organize hits."
        givemeethekeys 10mo ago
        Everyone uses Signal to communicate privately. Criminals use Flock to stalk public figures, celebrities, women and children.
- array_key_first 10mo ago
  I mean, stalking is very clearly illegal. The main issue is that we have a different set of laws that govern businesses and that govern private citizens. If I set up a camera in a local park and programmed it to zoom into children's faces and stream it directly to my computer, I am surely going to jail. But if I set up 100 cameras to do just that, baby, that's just business. It's almost paradoxical. The more evil I do, the less illegal it becomes. The greater the scale of harm I inflict, the more palatable it is. It's a get out of jail free card. Are you a psychopath? Love to kill people? Well, don't use knives or guns silly! Instead, form an LLC and give people poison. You'll kill 100x more people with 100x less consequences!
therobots927 10mo ago
They won’t under this administration. It’s owned and operated by Surveillance Valley Vulture Capitalists
- tonymet 10mo ago
  Why do people avoid saying President Trump like he’s Voldemort?
  - therobots927 10mo ago
    Because he attained his current position by ragebaiting everyone. He’s just a puppet of the people who are really in charge (intelligence agencies and billionaires)
    - tonymet 10mo ago
      I appreciate the explanation.
mvkel 10mo ago
Should we also arrest computer co execs because computers are used to hack into things?
- givemeethekeys 10mo ago
  Let's say a computer maker created a computer specifically for hacking. They then advertised that computer to government agencies to let them hack into suspicious computers. They did not put any safeguards in place to prevent anyone from hacking anyone else, but their marketing outreach said kept insisting that they have "best in class security" and "only the appropriate agencies have access". If that happened, then yes, they should be arrested.

Oh they’re buddies with all the departments. Fat chance.

Rather just see them get Flocked honestly. Seems like the type of tech a child would dream up only to realize when it's too late that it's dystopian, creepy, and a detriment to society.

zrobotics 10mo ago
Building the torment nexus...

cons0le 10mo ago

In your dreams maybe

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fuckflock 10mo ago

By top brass do you mean the people behind this website? > The financing was led by Andreessen Horowitz, with backing from Greenoaks Capital, Bedrock Capital. Meritech Capital, Matrix Partners, Sands Capital, Founders Fund, Kleiner Perkins, Tiger Global, and Y Combinator also participated. https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/flock-safety-secures-major-funding https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/flock-safety-secures-major-...

gruez 10mo ago

For what? Under current jurisprudence collecting license plates images isn't illegal, because there's no expectation of privacy in public. They could post the information online if they wanted to and they'd be in the clear. It's fine to object to ANPR networks on the basis of "mass surveillance" or whatever, but screaming for people to be arrested without legal basis, just because you don't like what they're doing is childish and counterproductive to the conversation.

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givemeethekeys 10mo ago
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- gruez 10mo ago
  You're probably being facetious, but aiding criminals isn't illegal unless you're knowingly doing it. Signal is known to be used by criminals, and on top their app is specifically designed to frustrate law enforcement, yet they stayed clear of lawsuits.
  - givemeethekeys 10mo ago
    Not the same at all because Signal helps celebrities and very important public figures communicate securely and privately. Flock is helping the rapists stalk their ex-wives.
    - gruez 10mo ago
      "Not the same at all because Flock helps companies and public safety agencies detect and monitor crime. Signal is helping cartels organize hits."
      - givemeethekeys 10mo ago
        Everyone uses Signal to communicate privately. Criminals use Flock to stalk public figures, celebrities, women and children.
array_key_first 10mo ago
I mean, stalking is very clearly illegal. The main issue is that we have a different set of laws that govern businesses and that govern private citizens. If I set up a camera in a local park and programmed it to zoom into children's faces and stream it directly to my computer, I am surely going to jail. But if I set up 100 cameras to do just that, baby, that's just business. It's almost paradoxical. The more evil I do, the less illegal it becomes. The greater the scale of harm I inflict, the more palatable it is. It's a get out of jail free card. Are you a psychopath? Love to kill people? Well, don't use knives or guns silly! Instead, form an LLC and give people poison. You'll kill 100x more people with 100x less consequences!

therobots927 10mo ago

They won’t under this administration. It’s owned and operated by Surveillance Valley Vulture Capitalists

tonymet 10mo ago
Why do people avoid saying President Trump like he’s Voldemort?
- therobots927 10mo ago
  Because he attained his current position by ragebaiting everyone. He’s just a puppet of the people who are really in charge (intelligence agencies and billionaires)
  - tonymet 10mo ago
    I appreciate the explanation.

mvkel 10mo ago

Should we also arrest computer co execs because computers are used to hack into things?

givemeethekeys 10mo ago
Let's say a computer maker created a computer specifically for hacking. They then advertised that computer to government agencies to let them hack into suspicious computers. They did not put any safeguards in place to prevent anyone from hacking anyone else, but their marketing outreach said kept insisting that they have "best in class security" and "only the appropriate agencies have access". If that happened, then yes, they should be arrested.