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My old 6600 from 2016 is still running fine, I replaced the SSD (Intel 400GB to X25-E 64GB that will last 20 years minimum), the RAM (Micron to Samsung from ali

by bullen 10mo ago

My old 6600 from 2016 is still running fine, I replaced the SSD (Intel 400GB to X25-E 64GB that will last 20 years minimum), the RAM (Micron to Samsung from aliexpress before the price hike... got 8 sticks of 16GB for $40 a pop for backup) and even the old trusty monitor (Both Eizo 5:4 matte VA; mercury tube to led, with f.lux/redshift the blue light is ok). But with a 3050 upgrade from the 1050 and later 1030 (best GPU for eternity if you discount VR) I had in it it's good for another decade. If a game comes out that does not run on it I wont play it... simple as that... 150W is enough. So far only PUBG stutters, what a joke of bloat and poor engineering that game has become... Win 10 improved NOTHING over 7. Win 11 improves NOTHING over 10. YMMV but recommendation is still: do not buy new X86 hardware; do not use new OS/languages. Build something good with what you have right now. Make it so good it's still in use after 100 years.

some-guy 10mo ago
> Win 10 improved NOTHING over 7. Win 11 improves NOTHING over 10. You had me up to this point. The problem is that there are actually quite a few improvements under the hood over those upgrade paths, but they are unfortunately hidden under all of the bullshit. I was an early adopter of Windows 11 specifically because of their efficiency core support over Windows 10 when I upgraded my CPU.
- bullen 10mo ago
  You need to look at the cost of improvements, and they overshadow all progress. I'm going linux with TWM (desktop with design look from the 70s) on ARM because M$ is clearly not thinking about the long perspective. We need a stable platform to build quality software. And that's saying alot seen how linux is deprecating libc after very short time and the legacy joystick API is not being compiled into modern kernels anymore. Stability is way more important than bells and whistles.
  - anthk 10mo ago
    You can use IceWM instead of TWM; it's almost as lightweight and much more stable. Also, if any, CTWM (with the welcome screen disabled) can be as good as TWM but with better features (sticky menus and the like).
    - bullen 10mo ago
      I don't like the look of IceWM but I will check out CTWM! Edit: TWM is less cluttered and less features is actually more here...
      - anthk 10mo ago
        Yep, I like TWM on design too, but both CTWM and IceWM can be equally configured. On CTWM, you can straightly import the TWM config modulo some slight error on a single line (if any). Once you set profer TTF fonts for it (by default they might look huge on smaller screens), you are done. Set the sticky/persistent menus (on a laptop/netbook it's a godsend) and you are done. Maybe you would like to disable the startup screen (-W flag for the 'ctwm' binary) or some obvious option in the man page in order to be put at ~/.ctwmrc or ~/.twmrc. For sticky menues you need to just put StayUpMenus at ~/.ctwmrc Just copy the content from your former ~/.twmrc file and append that on top.
Rohansi 10mo ago
> Win 10 improved NOTHING over 7 Windows 7 doesn't have compressed memory (ZRAM). Doesn't support TRIM for NVMe SSDs. Doesn't have WSL. Doesn't have ISO mounting built in. Doesn't have HDR, variable refresh rate, etc...
- bullen 10mo ago
  Are those really improvements though. RAM maybe wears quicker if compressed? NVMe will break long before a good old SATA drive. WSL... lol ISO you can do with daemon tools for free... Displays are good enough at 60Hz 5:4 matte.
  - sys_64738 10mo ago
    WSL is an excellent Micro-Soft technology.
  - Dylan16807 10mo ago
    > NVMe will break long before a good old SATA drive. What gave you that idea? > RAM maybe wears quicker if compressed? Is this serious? The rest of your post seems serious, but that's such a silly idea.
    - Rohansi 10mo ago
      > What gave you that idea? If you run Windows 7 on it then it sure will!
    - CyberDildonics 10mo ago
      This person has said that 1gb/s ethernet is as high as networking will go because of power constraints (yes obviously 2.5gb is common and a 10gb networking card is $25). They have said that DDR3 RAM causes mouse stuttering and that a 2011 atom is the best CPU that will ever be made. Unfortunately I think they are serious.
- Telaneo 10mo ago
  The better statement is 'Win 10 improved nothing directly user-facing over Win 7'. Sure, there are several technical improvements under the hood, but those are completely detached from what the user actually sees and experiences, and there's no real reason we couldn't have the Windows 10 technical improvements with a Windows 7 UI, other than Microsoft being the abusive parent that it is.
jazzyjackson 10mo ago
I have fedora xfce running beautifully on a 2011 i5 Mac mini. Replacing the hard disk with modern SSD was all it took to get it running at acceptable speeds where interacting with xfce is roughly instantaneous

by bullen 10mo ago

some-guy 10mo ago

> Win 10 improved NOTHING over 7. Win 11 improves NOTHING over 10. You had me up to this point. The problem is that there are actually quite a few improvements under the hood over those upgrade paths, but they are unfortunately hidden under all of the bullshit. I was an early adopter of Windows 11 specifically because of their efficiency core support over Windows 10 when I upgraded my CPU.

bullen 10mo ago
You need to look at the cost of improvements, and they overshadow all progress. I'm going linux with TWM (desktop with design look from the 70s) on ARM because M$ is clearly not thinking about the long perspective. We need a stable platform to build quality software. And that's saying alot seen how linux is deprecating libc after very short time and the legacy joystick API is not being compiled into modern kernels anymore. Stability is way more important than bells and whistles.
- anthk 10mo ago
  You can use IceWM instead of TWM; it's almost as lightweight and much more stable. Also, if any, CTWM (with the welcome screen disabled) can be as good as TWM but with better features (sticky menus and the like).
  - bullen 10mo ago
    I don't like the look of IceWM but I will check out CTWM! Edit: TWM is less cluttered and less features is actually more here...
    - anthk 10mo ago
      Yep, I like TWM on design too, but both CTWM and IceWM can be equally configured. On CTWM, you can straightly import the TWM config modulo some slight error on a single line (if any). Once you set profer TTF fonts for it (by default they might look huge on smaller screens), you are done. Set the sticky/persistent menus (on a laptop/netbook it's a godsend) and you are done. Maybe you would like to disable the startup screen (-W flag for the 'ctwm' binary) or some obvious option in the man page in order to be put at ~/.ctwmrc or ~/.twmrc. For sticky menues you need to just put StayUpMenus at ~/.ctwmrc Just copy the content from your former ~/.twmrc file and append that on top.

Rohansi 10mo ago

> Win 10 improved NOTHING over 7 Windows 7 doesn't have compressed memory (ZRAM). Doesn't support TRIM for NVMe SSDs. Doesn't have WSL. Doesn't have ISO mounting built in. Doesn't have HDR, variable refresh rate, etc...

bullen 10mo ago
Are those really improvements though. RAM maybe wears quicker if compressed? NVMe will break long before a good old SATA drive. WSL... lol ISO you can do with daemon tools for free... Displays are good enough at 60Hz 5:4 matte.
- sys_64738 10mo ago
  WSL is an excellent Micro-Soft technology.
- Dylan16807 10mo ago
  > NVMe will break long before a good old SATA drive. What gave you that idea? > RAM maybe wears quicker if compressed? Is this serious? The rest of your post seems serious, but that's such a silly idea.
  - Rohansi 10mo ago
    > What gave you that idea? If you run Windows 7 on it then it sure will!
  - CyberDildonics 10mo ago
    This person has said that 1gb/s ethernet is as high as networking will go because of power constraints (yes obviously 2.5gb is common and a 10gb networking card is $25). They have said that DDR3 RAM causes mouse stuttering and that a 2011 atom is the best CPU that will ever be made. Unfortunately I think they are serious.
Telaneo 10mo ago
The better statement is 'Win 10 improved nothing directly user-facing over Win 7'. Sure, there are several technical improvements under the hood, but those are completely detached from what the user actually sees and experiences, and there's no real reason we couldn't have the Windows 10 technical improvements with a Windows 7 UI, other than Microsoft being the abusive parent that it is.

jazzyjackson 10mo ago

I have fedora xfce running beautifully on a 2011 i5 Mac mini. Replacing the hard disk with modern SSD was all it took to get it running at acceptable speeds where interacting with xfce is roughly instantaneous