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Good! In the US ads were added after telling Prime members they’d get ad free content as part of their membership. I complained about this during a meeting (I w

by jonhohle 11mo ago

Good! In the US ads were added after telling Prime members they’d get ad free content as part of their membership. I complained about this during a meeting (I worked on Prime during the Prime Video launch), but was shot down because the ads were pre-roll trailers for Amazon produced content. Of course that turned into just ads, everywhere. I’m glad the court saw it for what it was: bait and switch.

PacificSpecific 11mo ago
That was the point that made me remove Amazon from my life. Obviously it was building up but kudos to Amazon for being the one to push me over the line to quit up Amazon.
simula67 11mo ago
I am glad to hear that there was someone who argued for the right course of action in the Amazon Prime organization. I don't know why this is not being fought by other regulators. I also paid for Amazon Prime, expecting to get ad-free content, and then they started to add advertisements. This may not be fraud, but it is definitely lowering my opinion of Amazon.
- pfisch 11mo ago
  I'm confused. Do you think you were owed no ads indefinitely? They can't change what the membership offers ever? So if they stopped letting you watch their new content because you had an old no ads membership would that be ok?
  - tombert 10mo ago
    Not the person you're replying to, but it just feels like rent-seeking. Amazon is already a gigantic corporation, pretty much everyone spends lots and lots of money on Amazon, it just felt like a way to try and squeeze more money out of their existing customers. ETA: I mean, I'm sure there is some exception to this, but generally speaking everyone hates ads. Part of the reason that the whole "cable cutting" thing happened was because everyone hated paying a lot of money to some cable company just to be bombarded with advertisements. At least that's a big reason as to why I did it. Now all these media companies realized that they can start shoving ads at us again and people will keep paying. Obviously I'm not entitled to having media at a specific price indefinitely, but I'm perfectly allowed to not like it when companies engage in rent-seeking bullshit.
    - peddling-brink 10mo ago
      But have you considered the shareholders? The line must go up. Cynicism aside, I wish there was a happy medium where companies could just _make money_ and not always have to make _even more money_.
      - tombert 10mo ago
        It wouldn't bother me as much if you could still buy media, but as far as I can tell most TV shows don't get Blu-ray releases anymore. The media companies realized that it's more profitable for them to make you pay for the same media forever instead of a lump cost, I guess preferably with you watching corporate brainwashing to buy products. I suspect once the heat on this settles down, every streaming service is going to start forcing ads on us at all times, and then the only way to fight back on this will be bittorrent.
        jemmyw 10mo ago
        Or just stop watching. I seem to be out of tune with what people want in a TV show nowadays, I don't find much enjoyable. I accept there was never that much, but given how much content is produced now I would have expected more in my sweet spot.
        mfru 10mo ago
        I recommend looking into private usenets. The initial setup is quite a hassle, but after that everything is smooth sailing. We have to educate them again that taking our convenience means them loosing money.
  - grepex 10mo ago
    At the very least they could not increase prices while simultaneously putting ads.
    - kxrm 10mo ago
      Yep, the cable industry used to do this. Add more ads but increase fees to viewers. Streaming is the new cable.
    - pfisch 10mo ago
      I agree it sucks, but I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to do it.
      - mfru 10mo ago
        Because I have a better life to live than always monitoring which shitty company wants to scam me out of my attention and money next.
      - rendall 10mo ago
        I think your question is reasonable, but no, I do not think a company gets to promote a service as having no ads as part of the sell, and then put ads in by default.
      - beej71 10mo ago
        They can do it legally if it's within the terms. Otherwise it's bait-and-switch. I can't sign a contract with you for $10/month for no ads and then start showing you ads.
  - tra3 10mo ago
    Yup. They can’t change the contract unilaterally. Remember when Netflix inttroduced ads they added a lower tier to go along with it.
    - pfisch 10mo ago
      But you are paying to restart the subscription every month/year. They can't change it then?
      - johneth 10mo ago
        When you start a subscription, you're agreeing to pay X amount every Y period of time; you're not starting a new agreement every single Y period of time.
        iamnothere 10mo ago
        They can cancel the prior tier or bump up the price on renewal though. This is the problem with subscriptions, you become complacent and accept incremental changes until you finally notice that you’re being rinsed. And actually some subscriptions can include unilateral price increases in the contract (a subscription is a contract) with early termination fees. It just isn’t commonly done because word gets around and you will lose business. You typically only see this in predatory industries where there are few alternatives and the service is necessary, like local waste management. If the contract is unfair enough you can usually escape it in court or arbitration, but nobody wants to go through that.
        pfisch 10mo ago
        Of course you are. Either party can adjust a contract on renewal, just like a lease. Also you aren't agreeing to pay to renew the contract. It isn't a rent payment in a structured contract. You can cancel at any time.
        kelnos 10mo ago
        No, that doesn't make sense at all. You've paid for consistent terms for that Y period of time. Not cancelling the subscription when it's up for renewal is an implicit agreement to any new terms. And I'm sure if you'd read those terms in the first place, you'd come to the same understanding. (And it's not even that: the X you're charged is subject to change upon renewal!) I'm not arguing that this is a good or bad thing, just pointing out the reality of every single subscription agreement I've signed up for online.
- _DeadFred_ 10mo ago
  Amazon seems cool with selling fake fuses that will kill people. That is what got me to stop shopping with them. The fact they seem to be cool with literally just letting people die. Fuses aren't an 'optional if they work' thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B90_SNNbcoU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B90_SNNbcoU
  - philistine 10mo ago
    What's infuriating is that Amazon has finally announced they're getting rid of co-mingling and have never had to massively pay for their misguided policy that has killed people.
tombert 11mo ago
Yeah, ever since that change happened, I haven't logged into Prime Video. I'm paying money for a product, I shouldn't have to put up with ads too. I understand that it's not free to produce TV shows, no free lunches and whatnot, so I understand why stuff I watch for free has ads, but if I'm paying for something I draw a line that I don't want my shit interrupted by advertisement. It really annoyed me that Prime decided that they would just impose ads on me unless I pay them an additional $4 a month. I already pay for Prime, I already buy many products on Amazon, I don't want to pay an extra $50 a year just to watch your mediocre shows without you trying to indoctrinate me to buy more shit.
- philistine 10mo ago
  On a fundamental level you're absolutely right. Unfortunately, you're complaining about a model that has existed for decades at this point: the cable model. You pay an arm and a leg for cable, and yet you get ads. Companies seem incapable of imagining a world where they don't double dip, since they've built the whole house of cards on the cable model and they want nothing else than to recreate it.
  - bcrl 10mo ago
    Cable still has one thing going for it: it tends to be cheaper for sports. Watching hockey games online requires subscriptions to 3 different streaming services just to follow a single local team, which is ridiculous.
    - reaperducer 10mo ago
      Watching hockey games online requires subscriptions to 3 different streaming services just to follow a single local team, which is ridiculous. A newspaper recently published an article stating that if you wanted to watch every NFL game, you'd need eleven streaming subscriptions.
- ch0wn 10mo ago
  Same for me. I actually don't order much but kept the subscription going for some of the shows I enjoyed. I promptly cancelled because of this. Obviously I'm in the minority, otherwise they wouldn't do it.
Rohansi 10mo ago
They still show the pre-roll trailers even if you pay extra for no ads. You can skip them but it's still ridiculous.
BloondAndDoom 10mo ago
The irony of Amazon “empty chair in meetings” myth. When you don’t even listen actual people advocating for customers why’d you care about an imaginary person.
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hsbauauvhabzb 10mo ago
Pre-roll trailers are ads.
- jonhohle 10mo ago
  A rose by any other name…
greatgib 10mo ago
I don't like it but could almost understand ad before content. But what I don't understand and find the most stupid is when you are forced to watch ad for the internal content. It gives me an aweful experience instead of pushing me to watch more. So makes me want to stop using the service. The worst offender is Disney+, not only the app is the shitiest one with great pain to seek in content, but you have systematic 30 or 40s long as for content of the platform you don't care like the last woke show. The worst of the worst in that case is that they will not care to show you 100 times the exact same ad as for the same movie or show sometimes. It has no good effect except totally wasting your time and frustrating you!
- distances 10mo ago
  They indeed have the worst apps of the streaming services, at least the Android and Chromecast. They look nice but perform very poorly. And now they simultaneously added ads and raised prices. I haven't dropped the subscription yet but am sure thinking about it.
m463 10mo ago
Next thing you know, they'll cover the outside of the prime 2-day shipping packages in ads.
acaloiar 10mo ago
I cancelled a 12 year old Prime account solely out of principle because of this.

PacificSpecific 11mo ago

That was the point that made me remove Amazon from my life. Obviously it was building up but kudos to Amazon for being the one to push me over the line to quit up Amazon.

simula67 11mo ago

I am glad to hear that there was someone who argued for the right course of action in the Amazon Prime organization. I don't know why this is not being fought by other regulators. I also paid for Amazon Prime, expecting to get ad-free content, and then they started to add advertisements. This may not be fraud, but it is definitely lowering my opinion of Amazon.

pfisch 11mo ago
I'm confused. Do you think you were owed no ads indefinitely? They can't change what the membership offers ever? So if they stopped letting you watch their new content because you had an old no ads membership would that be ok?
- tombert 10mo ago
  Not the person you're replying to, but it just feels like rent-seeking. Amazon is already a gigantic corporation, pretty much everyone spends lots and lots of money on Amazon, it just felt like a way to try and squeeze more money out of their existing customers. ETA: I mean, I'm sure there is some exception to this, but generally speaking everyone hates ads. Part of the reason that the whole "cable cutting" thing happened was because everyone hated paying a lot of money to some cable company just to be bombarded with advertisements. At least that's a big reason as to why I did it. Now all these media companies realized that they can start shoving ads at us again and people will keep paying. Obviously I'm not entitled to having media at a specific price indefinitely, but I'm perfectly allowed to not like it when companies engage in rent-seeking bullshit.
  - peddling-brink 10mo ago
    But have you considered the shareholders? The line must go up. Cynicism aside, I wish there was a happy medium where companies could just _make money_ and not always have to make _even more money_.
    - tombert 10mo ago
      It wouldn't bother me as much if you could still buy media, but as far as I can tell most TV shows don't get Blu-ray releases anymore. The media companies realized that it's more profitable for them to make you pay for the same media forever instead of a lump cost, I guess preferably with you watching corporate brainwashing to buy products. I suspect once the heat on this settles down, every streaming service is going to start forcing ads on us at all times, and then the only way to fight back on this will be bittorrent.
      - jemmyw 10mo ago
        Or just stop watching. I seem to be out of tune with what people want in a TV show nowadays, I don't find much enjoyable. I accept there was never that much, but given how much content is produced now I would have expected more in my sweet spot.
      - mfru 10mo ago
        I recommend looking into private usenets. The initial setup is quite a hassle, but after that everything is smooth sailing. We have to educate them again that taking our convenience means them loosing money.
- grepex 10mo ago
  At the very least they could not increase prices while simultaneously putting ads.
  - kxrm 10mo ago
    Yep, the cable industry used to do this. Add more ads but increase fees to viewers. Streaming is the new cable.
  - pfisch 10mo ago
    I agree it sucks, but I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to do it.
    - mfru 10mo ago
      Because I have a better life to live than always monitoring which shitty company wants to scam me out of my attention and money next.
    - rendall 10mo ago
      I think your question is reasonable, but no, I do not think a company gets to promote a service as having no ads as part of the sell, and then put ads in by default.
    - beej71 10mo ago
      They can do it legally if it's within the terms. Otherwise it's bait-and-switch. I can't sign a contract with you for $10/month for no ads and then start showing you ads.
- tra3 10mo ago
  Yup. They can’t change the contract unilaterally. Remember when Netflix inttroduced ads they added a lower tier to go along with it.
  - pfisch 10mo ago
    But you are paying to restart the subscription every month/year. They can't change it then?
    - johneth 10mo ago
      When you start a subscription, you're agreeing to pay X amount every Y period of time; you're not starting a new agreement every single Y period of time.
      - iamnothere 10mo ago
        They can cancel the prior tier or bump up the price on renewal though. This is the problem with subscriptions, you become complacent and accept incremental changes until you finally notice that you’re being rinsed. And actually some subscriptions can include unilateral price increases in the contract (a subscription is a contract) with early termination fees. It just isn’t commonly done because word gets around and you will lose business. You typically only see this in predatory industries where there are few alternatives and the service is necessary, like local waste management. If the contract is unfair enough you can usually escape it in court or arbitration, but nobody wants to go through that.
      - pfisch 10mo ago
        Of course you are. Either party can adjust a contract on renewal, just like a lease. Also you aren't agreeing to pay to renew the contract. It isn't a rent payment in a structured contract. You can cancel at any time.
      - kelnos 10mo ago
        No, that doesn't make sense at all. You've paid for consistent terms for that Y period of time. Not cancelling the subscription when it's up for renewal is an implicit agreement to any new terms. And I'm sure if you'd read those terms in the first place, you'd come to the same understanding. (And it's not even that: the X you're charged is subject to change upon renewal!) I'm not arguing that this is a good or bad thing, just pointing out the reality of every single subscription agreement I've signed up for online.
_DeadFred_ 10mo ago
Amazon seems cool with selling fake fuses that will kill people. That is what got me to stop shopping with them. The fact they seem to be cool with literally just letting people die. Fuses aren't an 'optional if they work' thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B90_SNNbcoU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B90_SNNbcoU
- philistine 10mo ago
  What's infuriating is that Amazon has finally announced they're getting rid of co-mingling and have never had to massively pay for their misguided policy that has killed people.

tombert 11mo ago

Yeah, ever since that change happened, I haven't logged into Prime Video. I'm paying money for a product, I shouldn't have to put up with ads too. I understand that it's not free to produce TV shows, no free lunches and whatnot, so I understand why stuff I watch for free has ads, but if I'm paying for something I draw a line that I don't want my shit interrupted by advertisement. It really annoyed me that Prime decided that they would just impose ads on me unless I pay them an additional $4 a month. I already pay for Prime, I already buy many products on Amazon, I don't want to pay an extra $50 a year just to watch your mediocre shows without you trying to indoctrinate me to buy more shit.

philistine 10mo ago
On a fundamental level you're absolutely right. Unfortunately, you're complaining about a model that has existed for decades at this point: the cable model. You pay an arm and a leg for cable, and yet you get ads. Companies seem incapable of imagining a world where they don't double dip, since they've built the whole house of cards on the cable model and they want nothing else than to recreate it.
- bcrl 10mo ago
  Cable still has one thing going for it: it tends to be cheaper for sports. Watching hockey games online requires subscriptions to 3 different streaming services just to follow a single local team, which is ridiculous.
  - reaperducer 10mo ago
    Watching hockey games online requires subscriptions to 3 different streaming services just to follow a single local team, which is ridiculous. A newspaper recently published an article stating that if you wanted to watch every NFL game, you'd need eleven streaming subscriptions.
ch0wn 10mo ago
Same for me. I actually don't order much but kept the subscription going for some of the shows I enjoyed. I promptly cancelled because of this. Obviously I'm in the minority, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

Rohansi 10mo ago

They still show the pre-roll trailers even if you pay extra for no ads. You can skip them but it's still ridiculous.

BloondAndDoom 10mo ago

The irony of Amazon “empty chair in meetings” myth. When you don’t even listen actual people advocating for customers why’d you care about an imaginary person.

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hsbauauvhabzb 10mo ago

Pre-roll trailers are ads.

jonhohle 10mo ago
A rose by any other name…

greatgib 10mo ago

I don't like it but could almost understand ad before content. But what I don't understand and find the most stupid is when you are forced to watch ad for the internal content. It gives me an aweful experience instead of pushing me to watch more. So makes me want to stop using the service. The worst offender is Disney+, not only the app is the shitiest one with great pain to seek in content, but you have systematic 30 or 40s long as for content of the platform you don't care like the last woke show. The worst of the worst in that case is that they will not care to show you 100 times the exact same ad as for the same movie or show sometimes. It has no good effect except totally wasting your time and frustrating you!

distances 10mo ago
They indeed have the worst apps of the streaming services, at least the Android and Chromecast. They look nice but perform very poorly. And now they simultaneously added ads and raised prices. I haven't dropped the subscription yet but am sure thinking about it.

m463 10mo ago

Next thing you know, they'll cover the outside of the prime 2-day shipping packages in ads.

acaloiar 10mo ago

I cancelled a 12 year old Prime account solely out of principle because of this.