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> Those courses that were basically “we’re a top university and we let someone record the class from the back” were a literal life changer. Honestly, that was a
by azangru 10mo ago
> Those courses that were basically “we’re a top university and we let someone record the class from the back” were a literal life changer. Honestly, that was all I wanted.
Does anyone remember what happened to UC Berkeley? They had a lot of their courses recorded and uploaded to youtube; an absolute joy. Then, some [beep] sued them for not making the recording accessible enough, i.e. not providing captions alongside the recordings. And they had to take down all their published courses! Because if someone cannot make use of those courses, then no-one can! Such a shame! Especially considering how these days, captions can be generated automatically for anyone who really needs them.
- komali2 10mo agoIt got archived https://archive.is/D1Ail https://archive.is/D1Ail
- Blackthorn 10mo agoWhere is the archive available for use?
- komali2 10mo agoIn that link. "Uploaded" column in table is archive links. Or scroll to "archive efforts" for links to torrents.
- Blackthorn 10mo agoThere's nothing in the uploaded column, and the torrent link does not exist. Edit: interestingly, refreshing the page filled out the uploaded column.
- ibrahima 10mo agoIirc the complaint was that machine generated captions were not good enough :(. Yeah it's pretty sad.
- edent 10mo ago[flagged]
- ghaff 10mo agoMachine transcriptions are obviously better than they used to be. But requiring perfect human transcriptions in this day and age would IMO be unreasonable for most purposes. Certainly machine transcriptions are used these days for purposes that most intelligent people would judge to be perfectly reasonable.
- BeFlatXIII 10mo agoSo the rest of the world should have the access removed out of some delusion of fairness?
- tourmalinetaco 10mo agoSo if 4% of the population cannot partake, then the other 96% should be barred from participating?
- vasco 10mo agoPeople really believe this. And also if you mention other disabilities that affect a similar ratio to the one they care about, ie 0.16% of people, they'll say it's too expensive and doesn't affect enough people. Like what if I want this content to be consumable by people who have such heavy learning disabilities that the whole content would need to be 20x as long and explained much more step by step?
- brendoelfrendo 10mo agoIf 4% of the population cannot partake of your services, then it is you who are being the asshole, not the 4% of people asking for an accommodation.
- wtetzner 10mo agoThey were uploading these for free. The end result of the videos being taken down is that they are now even more inaccessible to that 4% than they were before. Making things more accessible is a worthy goal, but the world is imperfect and making things better requires resources.
- LeoPanthera 10mo ago> And they had to take down all their published courses! No. They chose to take them down, instead of providing reasonable accommodations to those with disabilities. Choosing to see everything in the most cynical light doesn't make that version of events true.
- bdbdbdbdbd 10mo agoHow is this a better outcome than not having captions on free content? Which can be Auto dubbed on YouTube anyway
- vasco 10mo agoYes but it's stupid to force them to do it. If the state wants to demand this the state can pay for it. To hide free knowledge just because of a few specific pet disabilities... The content is also not accessible to someone with serious enough learning disabilities for example. Should they be forced to create an accessible version of that?
- lief79 10mo agoOddly enough, UC Berkley is public education, so it's the federal government and state government. At least technically true.
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- BenFranklin100 10mo agoYou realize it would cost a significant resources to make the “accommodations” you are suggesting? Money, despite what you may believe, doesn’t grow on trees. Given the range of worthy competing interests where the money could be spent, the university likely had no practical choice but to take it offline, lest it face the bad press and wrath of Progressives. You remind me of people who insist every single new apartment must be ADA compliant instead of a reasonable percentage throughout the city. Another example is banning SROs on the grounds they are “inhumane”. The moral purity results in less housing and forcing people to live in the cars or on the street.
- BeetleB 10mo agoYou're missing important context, which is that they were required by (federal) law to provide said accommodation, and they failed to do it (some would say they chose not to do it). It was easier (cheaper) to pull the plug. Don't blame the litigant. If you don't like it, change federal law.
- blitz_skull 10mo agoThey got sued for not having subtitles… no thanks. I think I’ll blame the chucklefucks that thought, “Oh an opportunity for a quick buck” and resulted in everyone losing a valuable resource.
- rat87 10mo agoIt's not about money it's about making sure things are accessible. The ADA is one of the reasons America is more accessible then Europe. Lawsuits are the enforcement mechanism
- blitz_skull 10mo agoYour argument is that someone sued Berkeley for posting free education materials online purely in the name of accessibility and not to make a quick buck? Free education provided at zero profit to Berkeley, to great benefit to the public, and it was just the wholesome desire for subtitles that made the case? Bullshit.
- BeetleB 10mo ago> and not to make a quick buck? Tell us - how much money did they make?
- raw_anon_1111 10mo agoHow accessible is the course now?
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- secabeen 10mo agoIt's going to get worse, ADA Title II updates require that by April 2026 all PDFs and documents be used by UCB be accessible to the WCAG 2.1 AA standard. I expect a lot of third-party content currently hosted on University of California websites will go away. https://dap.berkeley.edu/documents-forms/pdfs https://dap.berkeley.edu/documents-forms/pdfs https://dap.berkeley.edu/ada-title-ii-updates/title-ii-ada-what-does-it-mean-us https://dap.berkeley.edu/ada-title-ii-updates/title-ii-ada-w...