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> Caribbean nation of Curacao It's the first time I hear someone calls Curaçao a "nation". It's just the normal Dutch island, not even some special status terr
by deepsun 10mo ago
> Caribbean nation of Curacao
It's the first time I hear someone calls Curaçao a "nation". It's just the normal Dutch island, not even some special status territory. Yes, it's in Carribean, but why do they omit "Dutch" and call it a "Carribean nation"?
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- IncreasePosts 10mo agoCuracao has been a country that is part of the kingdom of the Netherlands since 2010.
- GuinansEyebrows 10mo agotechnically, it's a country within the Kingdom :)
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- zamadatix 10mo agoI find words in the same category as "country", "nation", "state", etc are increasingly used interchangeably. Largely because they tend to be far more specific than people mean to be... but also because generic terms like "polity" never caught on in the mainstream. A similar thing is how "nation-states" would appear to be the only type of place worth worrying about highly organized attacks from in infosec, until you ask them to define what they consider a nation-state. That said, I don't think it's accurate to paint Curaçao as just another normal Dutch island the same as any other. It's really a constituent country that's part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, just not a sovereign state or a nation.
- mr_toad 10mo agoLots of small islands have similar status, for example The Cayman Islands, Bermuda & Puerto Rico.
- adastra22 10mo agoA nation-state is a state whose borders and (originally) citizenship are largely defined by a singular nationality. Israel and Japan, for example. Belgium and Canada are not nation states: they are split into French and Flemish, and Anglo and French nationalities, respectively. It is a 19th century term that rarely applies these days, but still sees some residual usage.
- zamadatix 10mo agoTo complete the other half of the story for those not familiar: most all infosec references to "nation-state attack" instead use it to mean "government backed attack" (regardless if a nation-state is involved in the context).
- 1718627440 10mo agoWhat if they use it to mean entities that are both states and nations, as opposed to the states, that some nations are composed of.
- cwillu 10mo agoAnglo, French _and Aboriginal_ nationalities. That's not a minor detail to exclude.
- adastra22 10mo agoIn the concept of a “nation-state”, it is accurate. 20% of Israel’s population is non-Jewish, but it is still accurately described as a Jewish nation. I’m not defending the morality of this classification scheme, just trying by to be accurate. It dates to the 19th century and is not with the times today, which is why I generally prefer to avoid the term myself.
- behnamoh 10mo agothe bigger question is: what business does the Netherlands have all the way across the ocean in an island? Who gave them the "right" to own it?
- deepsun 10mo agoWhat do you mean "all the way across the ocean". From where? The distance from Curaçao to the Dutch people is exactly zero. What "right" are you talking about, is there an agency where we file a claim, and it issues us "rights"? All people from all nations, tribes and states came from somewhere, sometimes even replacing the local population. Sometimes peacefully, like Anglo-Saxons pushed out local Britons in England, sometimes violently, like Normans invaded and conquered England. Or like the rich and diverse American Indian history -- tribes came and went, sometimes replaced, pushed out, conquered or assimilated with previous peoples who lived there. Please define "right".
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- adastra22 10mo agoHow far is Hawaii from the USA?
- WheatMillington 10mo agoOK so now do America and Hawaii or Puerto Rico.
- IAmBroom 10mo ago> Sometimes peacefully, like Anglo-Saxons pushed out local Britons in England The Battle of Chester has entered the chat. No one ever "peacefully" pushes anyone else out of their homes.
- wkat4242 10mo agoIt's not part of the country the Netherlands anymore. They voted to leave. They're still in the kingdom which means they're not completely on their own but nation is a good word.