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GNU Unifont
- phoronixrly 11mo agoI like this better than the Google Sans Flex that made the front page today.
- aidenn0 11mo agoI had to uninstall unifont to get nice looking CJK fonts in Firefox; somehow the font-fallback for my font was picking unifont over all of the other fonts installed...
- Elfener 11mo agoI've reproduced issues with Unifont's glyphs being invisible in firefox and chrome (at different times, on what seems like certain versions), with much confusion. There are a few issues on the nixpkgs issue tracker about this, including one about Noto Color Emoji doing the same thing. I love fonts...
- adrian_b 11mo agoThe right way to solve your problem is to go to Firefox Settings/Language and Apperance/Fonts, then click on "Advanced". There you can set what fonts should be used by Firefox to display each script/language, including Chinese, Japanese and other CJK variants. If you do not configure this, then it is indeed unpredictable which fonts will be used by Firefox to render the Web pages, unless it can match exactly a font requested by the page.
- positron26 11mo ago> A user has asked if GNU Unifont can be used with commercial (non-free) software. One can be forgiven for thinking the author means to imply that all commercial software is non-free. It is a further disappointment that anyone has to ask. Open source was right to get rid of the intentional and unintentionally anti-commercial motifs that only got in the way of paid open source development.
- pwdisswordfishy 11mo agoIronically, it's the FSF which discourages the use of "commercial" to mean "non-free": https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.en.html#Commercial https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.en.html#Commer...
- ekjhgkejhgk 11mo agoObviosuly discourages because they're not equivalent and creates confusion. Stallman himself was selling copies of Emacs while releasing it under a Free license.
- positron26 11mo agoSome may be confused into thinking this reply is a correction. I don't mean to appear to rebut. We know that the FSF is aware of the problem. The trouble can only be if we expect more success from repeating the same tactics for the next forty years. I would blame no one for expecting the FSF to stay the course and to achieve similar effects. I would also not blame them for choosing a different path for themselves and recommending so to others.
- F3nd0 11mo ago> One can be forgiven for thinking the author means to imply that all commercial software is non-free. Do they mean to imply this? It can also be read as a clarification about the mentioned software, not all commercial software in general. Could just be poor wording. > Open source was right to get rid of the intentional and unintentionally anti-commercial motifs that only got in the way of paid open source development. Open source did succeed in avoiding the problem present in English language, but in doing so, shifted focus away from freedom and onto different confusing motifs. A rare word like 'libre' arguably does an even better job while staying true to the original ideas behind the term 'free'.
- positron26 11mo agoI do believe it was just poor wording. I don't feel strong disagreement with the four freedoms, but the biggest reason I've gone fully _OSS and intentionally avoid "free/libre" is because I don't want to endorse the FSF tactics and because I want to encourage others to demand more radical innovations instead of forty more years of the same. What I find most disappointing when I talk to the FSF is that if I bring up social finance and technically enabled social decisions that can make social finance a lot more effective, it is rather as if I have spoken some alien language. I believe the non-programmer needs a lever to choose the development model used by programs they rely on. To the FSF insiders, such thinking is so orthogonal as to generate no reaction. If I say "a billion users are important," they refute the necessity. They are content to be monastic, conveniently propped up by donations for saying nice things. I find such abandonment inexcusable, and I get fired up talking about it.
- TheRealPomax 11mo agoThe problem with Unifont is that is was never designed to actually support real text, it just has glyph support. So if you need "it can do every language I might want, while looking pretty good" you're far better off with the (much newer) family of NoTo fonts, which aren't just free to use, but explicitly use the modern SIL Open Font License.
- foxrider 11mo agoYeah, I can't really speak well about other languages, but these Armenian letters look really rough.
- Kwpolska 10mo agoThe Latin letters look rough too.
- ErroneousBosh 10mo agoThey all look really rough. It's like a font from a 1980s home computer.
- duskwuff 11mo agoNoto is also a scalable font with multiple weights and styles (e.g. bold, italic, etc). Unifont is a 16-pixel bitmap with no styles, so it's only really usable at one size (or maybe two if you want 32px text).
- ErroneousBosh 10mo agoThe only problem with the Noto fonts (installed in Ubuntu for example by default) is that now you have to scroll through hundreds of useless squiggle fonts in your font picker.
- TheRealPomax 10mo agoThat's not a problem, that's a learning opportunity.
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- phkahler 11mo agoWe use GNU Unifont in Solvespace for the text window/property browser. It's built right into the executable. This turned out to be amazingly useful. Some people have CJK stuff in their designs and it "just works" on all platforms. I was also looking into hole annotations in CAD and was pleased to see the symbols for counter-bore and counter-sink are both already there in unifont. You can see unifont in the experimental web version here: https://cad.apps.dgramop.xyz/ https://cad.apps.dgramop.xyz/
- stn8188 11mo agoWow, the web version is neat in its simplicity! Thank you for the work on Solvespace. It's far and away my favorite MCAD program and always my first go-to when I need to crank out a quick fixture to test PCBs. It's really so pleasant and easy to work with as long as my geometry is relatively basic (which it almost always is given my limited scope of work with mechanical design). I'm sorry I don't have any comments on the relevant topic of the fonts, just was excited to see Solvespace mentioned.
- hackshack 11mo ago+1; thanks from another satisfied user. I have an annual SOLIDWORKS plan, but SolveSpace is my go-to for quick stuff. It makes CAD fun. There is a clarity of design behind the software that gives it a zen-like feel.
- graypegg 11mo agoThat's such a cool effect from just the choice of font. (Though I guess there are countless human hours spent on unifont and unicode as a whole) But I love the idea that even if your bronze age CAD guy wrote all the solid names in Linear A, no problem!
- somat 11mo agoThat web version is very neat. Solvespace is by far my favorite cad, it ls hard to explain exactly why because it really is quite limited compared to other cad packages, but I think it is mainly because of the fluidity and shear joy of operation while expressing constraints. One of these days I need to dive into the code and figure out a replacement for the modal "can not create constraint" dialogs as those are the worst part of the whole experience.
- ekjhgkejhgk 11mo agoYou know, when I see GNU, I don't necessarily think it's the best software in all dimensions, but it's almost the best in terms of respecting its users.
- magios 11mo agoi use this font system wide, forced as the only font in firefox, with web or downloadable fonts disabled. i also have my some of my own characters in csur, the conscript unicode registry, that is mapped to u+e000 thru u+f8ff so the unicode codepoints used by random webpages for various glyphs show up as my own. qt is a pain to use sometimes with unifont only but iirc QT_FONT_DPI=128 environment variable fixes that. i just wish i could get unifont only to work in games like rimworld.
- oconnore 11mo agoWhy do you do this?
- magios 11mo agobecause i prefer monospaced pixel fonts, tho the underlying engine requires the ttf and now otf font, which is a vector format in order to render.
- luqtas 11mo agohow can you? i just installed it and i had to bring HN to 200% zoom... the rest of my system (XFCE) feels somewhat OK with it
- magios 11mo agoi use 1920x1080 screen res as i see no point to any higher res.
- joeel84 11mo agoAmazing work!
- jarbus 11mo agoBeen a proud user for a while at jarbus.net :)
- nycticorax 11mo agoShouldn't the first sentence on that website describe what GNU Unifont actually is? I guess it's a single copyleft font designed to have coverage of all (or nearly all?) unicode code points?
- IvyMike 11mo ago> GNU Unifont is part of the GNU Project. This page contains the latest release of GNU Unifont, with glyphs for every printable code point in the Unicode Basic Multilingual Plane (BMP) I mean that's pretty close no?
- smlacy 11mo agoStill doesn't exactly say what it is? I get that it's glyphs for printable characters, but honestly it could be a PDF, video, collection of PNGs or SVG files, an Adobe Illustrator file, a linux distribution, a web browser, or pretty much any other piece of software or data format. I presume it's a TTF or OTF font file?
- mariusor 11mo agoIt's a bitmap font: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_font#BITMAP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_font#BITMAP
- onetom 10mo agono. as others have stated too, the following should be mentioned - what's the 2 meaning in BMP - it's designed as a monospaced (or proportional?) bitmap font - designed in a single 16x16 size only (or also 8x16? it's a bit unclear) - provided as an OTF/TTF font format, which can be scaled by most font rendering engines to other sizes, but u need antialiasing to make it look smooth (this is mentioned, but under the download section only) - use as a "last resort" default font, according to wikipedia at least
- adrian_b 11mo agoWell, the second and the third sentence describe very precisely what Unifont is: "This page contains the latest release of GNU Unifont, with glyphs for every printable code point in the Unicode Basic Multilingual Plane (BMP). The BMP occupies the first 65,536 code points of the Unicode space, denoted as U+0000..U+FFFF." This is suitable as a last resort font, which should display any character for which no match was found in the other available fonts. This is normally preferable to a last resort font that just displays the number of a character not available in your preferred fonts.
- asgs 11mo agoit is so nice of them to explain the fact using the GNU Unifont in commercial non-free softwares clarifying when it is required to be published to public domain.
- remywang 11mo agoI also made some fonts for playdate based on unifont: https://github.com/remysucre/cuniform https://github.com/remysucre/cuniform
- KronisLV 11mo agoReally like the idea of a font with extremely broad glyph support, sadly it looks really blurry on any custom size, like if I'd try to use this font in my IDE but would want to make it smaller so I can fit more text on the screen. For that particular use case (tbh mostly aesthetics than glyph support), I also found the TTF version of Terminus to be pleasant: https://files.ax86.net/terminus-ttf/ https://files.ax86.net/terminus-ttf/ though JetBrains Mono is good enough for me to not venture far away from defaults, albeit maybe Liberation Mono / Cousine was the peak of readability at somewhat small sizes out of any font out there for me. Wonder if the Potrace approach of Terminus TTF version would work for Unifont. I imagine that Unifont is a pretty good default when doing shipping labels and for such utilitarian use cases.
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- ripe 11mo agoFor others who might be as confused as me: GNU Unifont is a bitmap font. It provides a fixed glyph for every code point in the BMP. It also covers additional code points in other planes. I am guessing this is useful for writing editors that can edit Unicode text without knowing anything about various languages and their conventions. Authors who try to use this font to compose documents in (say) devanagari will have to learn the Unicode characters "in the raw", because I don't see a shaper for devanagari, so they won't get feedback that looks like real text. If anyone can explain this better, please do!
- kristianp 11mo agoDoes that mean there is a separate file for each point size? I'm realising I know very little about fonts.
- Kwpolska 10mo agoNah, there’s just one size in this case (16x16).
- eviks 10mo agoand BMP in this context is not BitMap, but Unicode Basic Multilingual Plane (BMP) of the first 65,536 code points of the Unicode
- Sharlin 10mo agoAmusingly, here it is also BitMap [1]. Why they use an obsolete noncompressed proprietary format instead of PNG I don't know. Edit: looks like it's because BMP supports 1-bit packed pixels and ~~PNG doesn't~~ (Edit to edit: this is wrong). The file sizes are almost identical; the 8x difference in the number of bits is exactly balanced by PNG compression! On the other hand, PBM [2] would've been a properly Unixy format, and trivial to decode, but I guess "the browser knows how to render it" is a pretty good argument for BMP. macOS Preview, BTW, supports all the NetPBM formats, which I did not expect. [1] eg. https://unifoundry.com/pub/unifont/unifont-17.0.03/unifont-17.0.03.bmp https://unifoundry.com/pub/unifont/unifont-17.0.03/unifont-1... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netpbm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netpbm
- kccqzy 11mo agoPlease don’t use this unless the purpose is specifically to have a retro effect where you eschew modern fonts for aesthetic purposes. Because for any other purpose this just looks terrible, even for English text. Scripts requiring special shaping won’t be supported well. I don’t think it even supports different shapes for the same CJK character according to the language.
- unleaded 10mo ago>unless the purpose is specifically to have a retro effect where you eschew modern fonts for aesthetic purposes There are better fonts for this too e.g. Fusion Pixel Font for CJK: https://github.com/TakWolf/fusion-pixel-font https://github.com/TakWolf/fusion-pixel-font (yes the readme is in chinese, use google translate or something) i think i saw a good pixel font that supported arabic too once but of course i cant find it now..
- edent 11mo agoIt also looks beautiful when printed out - I made it into a spiral which hangs on my wall. https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/07/the-mostly-complete-unicode-spiral/ https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/07/the-mostly-complete-unicode...
- pilaf 11mo agoThat's awesome, what size did you print it? Are the random sparse Chinese characters floating around the main spiral a natural part of Unicode, or did you put them there for effect? I like how the whole thing looks like a galaxy and those characters like background space debris. I also like how emoji fall neatly around the outer rim. I had fun finding the Earth emoji.
- n2h4 10mo agoyour blog is really cool
- bborud 11mo agoWhy does every GNU web page look like 1996? This actually matters. Even stripping the page down and removing any styling would make it look more trustworthy less like an abandoned project. Perhaps a GNU style could be something we could help fund?
- _emacsomancer_ 11mo agoThe Guix pages have styling: https://guix.gnu.org https://guix.gnu.org
- account42 10mo agoI wish modern websites had this much information density.
- swiftcoder 10mo ago> Unifont only stores one glyph per printable Unicode code point. This means that complex scripts with special forms for letter combinations including consonant combinations and floating vowel marks such as with Indic scripts (Devanagari, Bengali, Tamil, etc.) or letters that change shape depending upon their position in a word (Indic and Arabic scripts) will not render well in Unifont. In those cases, Unifont is only suitable as a font of last resort. Users wishing to properly render such complex scripts should use full OpenType fonts that faithfully display such alternate forms. An important caveat, that while this is potentially a useful fallback font to at least something for unknown glyphs, without any sort of combining/shaping, it's not going to usefully render a whole bunch of languages (i.e. languages like Arabic will be a disaster)
- sundarurfriend 10mo agoAnd just in case the wording "special forms" makes someone think these are edge cases or just fancy-but-non-essential ligature type stuff, these are basic core syllables and sounds in these languages that go from their familiar form to a form where you have to mentally do some detective work to figure out what's being said. 1t'5 1!k3 !f 3v3ry 0th3r w0r<| w@5 wr!tt3n l!k3 th!5. (Not a great analogy but it's the best I got.)
- kwk1 10mo agoOften I've seen font websites have a sort of "font hello world" preview image, and adding something like that here would be great. Apparently they're called "type specimens".