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Interesting contrast to all this tech is that my wife liked the Rivian, but when I told her they won’t do car play that interest went to 0. Can CarPlay not pla

by diddid 10mo ago

Interesting contrast to all this tech is that my wife liked the Rivian, but when I told her they won’t do car play that interest went to 0. Can CarPlay not play nice with these things or do they want to keep all the tech dollars to themselves?

cr125rider 10mo ago
In 6 years I don’t want your laggy legacy system with unsupported apps. I want my new phone to power the experience. Most of my experience in a car is digital, the physical needs to do its best to get out of the way. I hope Rivian fails for missing this obvious point.
- jonathanlb 10mo ago
  > Most of my experience in a car is digital What do you mean? My experience in a budget car from the early 2010s is entirely the opposite, so I don't understand fully.
  - stackghost 10mo ago
    I drive a 2013 VW diesel and literally every aspect of vehicle ownership today is inferior except for emissions.
staticshock 10mo ago
Direct quote from RJ Scaringe, founder/CEO of Rivian: > This is a decision. It's generated, I said there's many millions of decisions, many of them will never get noticed and they're just under the surface. One of those decisions that's been noticed quite a bit is the fact that we've intentionally not included CarPlay in the vehicle. And that's not to say we don't think a close partnership with Apple is important. So we have Apple Music integration, we have a bunch of Apple integrations that are yet to come, we have a great relationship with the team at Apple. But it was more to say, we just felt and continue to feel very strongly about creating a consistent, fully integrated digital experience where you're not jumping between apps, let's say from a CarPlay app back to the vehicle app. And it's quite jarring when you don't have, let's say vehicle level controls when you're in the CarPlay environment. That view we've had since the early, early days. I think that's going to become even more important and more true in a world of integrated AI. https://cheekypint.transistor.fm/14/transcript https://cheekypint.transistor.fm/14/transcript
- mlsu 10mo ago
  I can think of an easy way to have the controls accessible no matter what's going on on the touchscreen, but then again that's probably what disqualifies me from being the CEO of a big car company.
  - vasco 10mo ago
    Take that idea of buttons and knobs and just replace it with another ipad. Make it revolutionary, put the ipad in the middle of the steering wheel, boom.
    - m463 10mo ago
      make the steering wheel an ipad and swipe to turn! You could really future-proof the car if you replace the windshield with an ipad. then you can overlay ads on reality just like they do in soccer games.
    - duskdozer 10mo ago
      What about several mini ipads, each dedicated to a single function? We could use OLED displays and pre-burn-in their function at the factory as a label, and leave the display off, except for maybe a single LED, to save power. We could also add some sort of haptic feedback on user interaction with each mini ipad...
- LoganDark 10mo ago
  Rivian's infotainment system uses Google Maps which I am not a big fan of. I wish they would support CarPlay in addition to everything else, so that I wouldn't lose my maps.
  - dyauspitr 10mo ago
    Ah that was actually my main concern. I don’t think a lack of CarPlay would be a dealbreaker for me if they have inbuilt Google Maps.
billti 10mo ago
I was hesitant buying my Tesla this year (first one) as I really liked having CarPlay in my prior car (Jeep). But after having it a while, it's really a non-issue. The Tesla Apple Music app is pretty good. Their maps and navigation is pretty good (and integrated with FSD). And I can easily just use the bluetooth connection for a couple other minor things I occasionally use.
- m463 10mo ago
  > Their maps and navigation is pretty good (and integrated with FSD) I got a loaner with fsd and tried it out. There was this one trip I took to a store and for some reason, the nav route detoured off the road to the next street over, then joined back with the route. I think this is a thing nav systems do and people just ignore it and go the right way. except the tesla tried to drive the dumb route. lol
- etothet 10mo ago
  I’ll start off by saying that the model Y is one of the best mid-level cars I’ve driven so the issues I mention below are worth the tradeoffs to me. In my experience, Tesla navigation can be pretty bad when navigating my large urban city. During peak traffic times it often tries to send me down roads that are notoriously known for traffic backing up. Most times when I end up following those suggested routes, my ETA essentially becomes meaningless. I’ve found Google, Waze, and Apple maps to be a lot better in this respect. I do miss having CarPlay. That’s not to say I think the music integration you mentioned is bad, but I find the overall UI in my model Y to be a bit confusing - and the lower icons seem to sometimes randomly change from what I have them set as.
  - peab 10mo ago
    Same. I love the tesla model y, but it's not perfect. The screen UI is pretty good for the most part, enough that I don't think about carplay too often. But I do tend to stream audio from my phone more than from the tesla UI, and so I do miss carplay when I think about it.
ProfessorZoom 10mo ago
Car companies are notorious for having awful software, awful update systems, and awful software teams. So much so that people have come to think that if a car doesn't have CarPlay, that it probably sucks to interface with (which is a safe assumption). Even Tesla is working on adding CarPlay, despite having good software. A lot of people refuse to even consider the idea of a car without CarPlay, and the car companies are to blame
bearjaws 10mo ago
You know 5 years from now Apple and Google will charge the car manufacturers millions to enable CarPlay / Android Auto. Enshitiffication has one end, they will screw everyone long term. I don't blame any manufacturer who bows out.

by diddid 10mo ago

cr125rider 10mo ago

In 6 years I don’t want your laggy legacy system with unsupported apps. I want my new phone to power the experience. Most of my experience in a car is digital, the physical needs to do its best to get out of the way. I hope Rivian fails for missing this obvious point.

jonathanlb 10mo ago
> Most of my experience in a car is digital What do you mean? My experience in a budget car from the early 2010s is entirely the opposite, so I don't understand fully.
- stackghost 10mo ago
  I drive a 2013 VW diesel and literally every aspect of vehicle ownership today is inferior except for emissions.

staticshock 10mo ago

Direct quote from RJ Scaringe, founder/CEO of Rivian: > This is a decision. It's generated, I said there's many millions of decisions, many of them will never get noticed and they're just under the surface. One of those decisions that's been noticed quite a bit is the fact that we've intentionally not included CarPlay in the vehicle. And that's not to say we don't think a close partnership with Apple is important. So we have Apple Music integration, we have a bunch of Apple integrations that are yet to come, we have a great relationship with the team at Apple. But it was more to say, we just felt and continue to feel very strongly about creating a consistent, fully integrated digital experience where you're not jumping between apps, let's say from a CarPlay app back to the vehicle app. And it's quite jarring when you don't have, let's say vehicle level controls when you're in the CarPlay environment. That view we've had since the early, early days. I think that's going to become even more important and more true in a world of integrated AI. https://cheekypint.transistor.fm/14/transcript https://cheekypint.transistor.fm/14/transcript

mlsu 10mo ago
I can think of an easy way to have the controls accessible no matter what's going on on the touchscreen, but then again that's probably what disqualifies me from being the CEO of a big car company.
- vasco 10mo ago
  Take that idea of buttons and knobs and just replace it with another ipad. Make it revolutionary, put the ipad in the middle of the steering wheel, boom.
  - m463 10mo ago
    make the steering wheel an ipad and swipe to turn! You could really future-proof the car if you replace the windshield with an ipad. then you can overlay ads on reality just like they do in soccer games.
  - duskdozer 10mo ago
    What about several mini ipads, each dedicated to a single function? We could use OLED displays and pre-burn-in their function at the factory as a label, and leave the display off, except for maybe a single LED, to save power. We could also add some sort of haptic feedback on user interaction with each mini ipad...
LoganDark 10mo ago
Rivian's infotainment system uses Google Maps which I am not a big fan of. I wish they would support CarPlay in addition to everything else, so that I wouldn't lose my maps.
- dyauspitr 10mo ago
  Ah that was actually my main concern. I don’t think a lack of CarPlay would be a dealbreaker for me if they have inbuilt Google Maps.

billti 10mo ago

I was hesitant buying my Tesla this year (first one) as I really liked having CarPlay in my prior car (Jeep). But after having it a while, it's really a non-issue. The Tesla Apple Music app is pretty good. Their maps and navigation is pretty good (and integrated with FSD). And I can easily just use the bluetooth connection for a couple other minor things I occasionally use.

m463 10mo ago
> Their maps and navigation is pretty good (and integrated with FSD) I got a loaner with fsd and tried it out. There was this one trip I took to a store and for some reason, the nav route detoured off the road to the next street over, then joined back with the route. I think this is a thing nav systems do and people just ignore it and go the right way. except the tesla tried to drive the dumb route. lol
etothet 10mo ago
I’ll start off by saying that the model Y is one of the best mid-level cars I’ve driven so the issues I mention below are worth the tradeoffs to me. In my experience, Tesla navigation can be pretty bad when navigating my large urban city. During peak traffic times it often tries to send me down roads that are notoriously known for traffic backing up. Most times when I end up following those suggested routes, my ETA essentially becomes meaningless. I’ve found Google, Waze, and Apple maps to be a lot better in this respect. I do miss having CarPlay. That’s not to say I think the music integration you mentioned is bad, but I find the overall UI in my model Y to be a bit confusing - and the lower icons seem to sometimes randomly change from what I have them set as.
- peab 10mo ago
  Same. I love the tesla model y, but it's not perfect. The screen UI is pretty good for the most part, enough that I don't think about carplay too often. But I do tend to stream audio from my phone more than from the tesla UI, and so I do miss carplay when I think about it.

ProfessorZoom 10mo ago

Car companies are notorious for having awful software, awful update systems, and awful software teams. So much so that people have come to think that if a car doesn't have CarPlay, that it probably sucks to interface with (which is a safe assumption). Even Tesla is working on adding CarPlay, despite having good software. A lot of people refuse to even consider the idea of a car without CarPlay, and the car companies are to blame

bearjaws 10mo ago

You know 5 years from now Apple and Google will charge the car manufacturers millions to enable CarPlay / Android Auto. Enshitiffication has one end, they will screw everyone long term. I don't blame any manufacturer who bows out.