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Why does everyone immediately pivot to EVs on this subject, instead of (looks around) gargantuan SUVs and trucks everywhere, due to peculiarities of US policies
by jgeada 10mo ago
Why does everyone immediately pivot to EVs on this subject, instead of (looks around) gargantuan SUVs and trucks everywhere, due to peculiarities of US policies regulating SUVs more leniently than cars on fuel efficiency?
- Angostura 10mo agoBecause a lot if EV buyers are interested in the environmental impact of their purchase?
- ceejayoz 10mo agoAlternatively: Because fossil fuel companies have a long, long history of astroturfing public opinion to benefit their business. Same trick with solar farms: https://www.npr.org/2023/02/18/1154867064/solar-power-misinformation-activists-rural-america https://www.npr.org/2023/02/18/1154867064/solar-power-misinf... And wind: https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-oil-and-gas-industry-is-behind-offshore-wind-misinformation/ https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-oil-and-gas-ind...
- bpt3 10mo agoI see this argument almost exclusively from the fuckcars crowd, because their existing environmental arguments against ICE vehicles don't apply to EVs. If you're claiming that the oil and gas lobby is facilitating their criticism of any automobile, I hope you're right because that would be hilarious.
- ceejayoz 10mo ago> I see this argument almost exclusively from the fuckcars crowd... That's not shocking to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_the_Earth_(US) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_the_Earth_(US) > Friends of the Earth U.S. was founded in California in 1969 by environmentalist David Brower after he left the Sierra Club. The organization was launched with the help of Donald Aitken, Jerry Mander and a $200,000 donation from the personal funds of Robert O. Anderson. One of its first major campaigns was the protest of nuclear power, particularly in California. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Orville_Anderson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Orville_Anderson > Robert Orville Anderson (April 12, 1917 – December 2, 2007) was an American businessman, art collector, and philanthropist who founded [the United States' sixth-largest oil company] Atlantic Richfield Company (ARCO).
- Spivak 10mo agoI say this as someone who owns an electric scooter and whose next car will be an EV—the sales pitch for EVs right now is basically pay more (especially now that the tax credit is gone) to have a worse time and maybe eventually claw some of it back over the lifetime of the car in fuel savings. The environmental impact is the pro in the pro con list. So if that doesn't pan out, or doesn't pan out enough it's going to be a tough sell. Just the cost to get my garage outfitted with a charging port is about to be in the thousands because it requires me to replace the entire breaker panel. Now this is a me problem because that panel is ancient but it does add to the total cost of "doing this" and going EV.
- jibe 10mo agoWatch out for electricians who try to rip off new EV owners. Make sure you get a few estimates. When we added a charger, bids were $2000, $2000, and $500.
- fullstop 10mo agoMine was about $1,100 which included a $250 permit / inspection fee from my township.
- eunoia 10mo ago> to have a worse time I have a much better time in my EV than my ICE car but to each their own.
- fullstop 10mo ago> Just the cost to get my garage outfitted with a charging port is about to be in the thousands because it requires me to replace the entire breaker panel. Now this is a me problem because that panel is ancient but it does add to the total cost of "doing this" and going EV. You likely don't need to replace the panel, as load management options exist. Wallbox, in particular, has an option where you can add a modbus doo-dad (carlo gavazzi energy management module) to your panel and it will monitor the overall usage and drop the EVSE current to keep it at a safe level. It's more expensive than if you had a modern panel, but less expensive than replacing the panel itself.
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- ceejayoz 10mo agoTire wear is probably a thing - although I suspect the per-wheel control allows them to better respond to slips and sudden acceleration. I've noticed test driving a Tesla that it accelerates rapidly much more smoothly with no tire slippage than a combustion car. Brake wear is likely nulled out by regenerative braking. And you're probably not driving highway speeds through Manhattan, either.
- littlestymaar 10mo agoTire, yes. But not brakes. With an EV most of the kinetic energy is converted back to electricity thanks to regenerative braking instead of being turned into heat through friction. Overall the EV emit fewer airborne particles even without counting the exhaust.
- looknee 10mo agoChevy Suburban: ~ 5,700–6,100lbs Model 3: ~ 3,860–3,900+ lbs Suburban is about 1.5–1.6× heavier than a Tesla Model 3.
- PaulHoule 10mo agoThe Chevy Suburban has been one of the largest vehicles on the market since 1934. [1] If you wanted an EV to match the Suburban it would probably be that Cadillac Escalade IQ in terms of size, comfort, and towing capacity -- that's got a curb weight of 9,100 pounds which is 1.5x heavier than the Suburban. I'd think the BMW 3 Series has a similar vibe to the Model 3 and that has a base curb weight of 3536 which is about 10% less than the Model 3. [1] it's the oldest nameplate that's been made continuously
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- pqtyw 10mo agoA a bus is over 40,000lbs. More than 10x heavier than a Tesla Model 3.
- colechristensen 10mo agoBecause when you're talking about particulates in the air, one of the main local environmental harms from cars, EVs aren't the 100% clean people expect them to be.
- nonethewiser 10mo agoBecause EVs are the proposed solution
- hamdingers 10mo agoPeople want a solution to this problem that requires them to make approximately zero compromises. The auto industry has positioned EVs as that solution, even though it's mostly not.
- throwawaypath 10mo agoWhy does everyone immediately pivot to SUVs on this subject, instead of (looks around) gargantuan Tesla Model Ys that weigh as much as a Ford Bronco and EV trucks everywhere, due to peculiarities of US consumer habits and the demand for huge vehicles to pick up groceries?
- KptMarchewa 10mo agoAren't Tesla Model Y SUVs though?
- scottyah 10mo agoNo, they're crossovers. Closer to a hatchback.
- ceejayoz 10mo agoI mean, they're literally called SUVs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossover_SUV https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossover_SUV Even https://www.tesla.com/modely https://www.tesla.com/modely uses the term "Electric Midsize SUV"
- scottyah 10mo agohuh well TIL, thank you. My definitions of Sports Utility Vehicle are outdated. They have almost no clearance, and the suspension is not tuned for anything more than small washboards.
- SoftTalker 10mo agoConsumers like SUVs. They are convenient, easy to get in and out of, flexible for hauling large items, many can pull trailers, offer good visibility for the driver, and do well in the snow.
- doug_durham 10mo agoThey are also heavily subsidized by the US government in the form of relaxed regulations. The profit margins are higher which is why car companies push them. In their current ICE form they also benefit from massive government subsidies of the Oil companies. If you took those away it is unlikely that the convenience would be worth the additional cost.
- potato3732842 10mo ago>They are also heavily subsidized by the US government in the form of relaxed regulations. The profit margins are higher which... Look in the mirror, that's who's responsible for this. You people levied regulations. You levied them in half baked ways that resulted in the demise of sedans and station wagons. And now you complain that SUVs are "subsidized". Get out of here with that nonsense and take your stupid regulations with you so the rest of us can have diversity of vehicle choice back. None of this stuff is a subsidy, construing "exempt from the screwing some other product category gets" is just a lie.
- doug_durham 10mo agoI take a less libertarian view on this. It because trucks and truck-like vehicles are under-regulated. The result being excess pollution and pedestrian fatalities. We need to remove the loop hole.
- kjkjadksj 10mo agoWagons can do all of that too
- SoftTalker 10mo ago