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When someone says "AIs aren't really thinking" because AIs don't think like people do, what I hear is "Airplanes aren't really flying" because airplanes don't f
by panarky 10mo ago
When someone says "AIs aren't really thinking" because AIs don't think like people do, what I hear is "Airplanes aren't really flying" because airplanes don't fly like birds do.
- meheleventyone 10mo agoThis really shows how imprecise a term 'thinking' is here. In this sense any predictive probabilistic blackbox model could be termed 'thinking'. Particularly when juxtaposed against something as concrete as flight that we have modelled extremely accurately.
- lostmsu 10mo agoYes, to a degree. A very low degree at that.
- atomicthumbs 10mo agoAIs think like a rock flies.
- nkrisc 10mo agoIf I shake some dice in a cup are they thinking about what number they’ll reveal when I throw them?
- shawabawa3 10mo agothat depends, if you explain the rules of the game you're playing and give the dice a goal to win the game, do they adjust the numbers they reveal according to the rules of the game? If so, yes, they're thinking
- brendoelfrendo 10mo agoAs someone who plays a lot of Dungeons and Dragons, it sure feels like the dice are thinking sometimes.
- nkrisc 10mo agoThe rules of the game are to reveal two independent numbers in the range [1,6].
- danielbln 10mo agoIf I take a plane apart and throw all the parts off a cliff, will they achieve sustained flight? If I throw some braincells into a cup alongside the dice, will they think about the outcome anymore than the dice alone?
- kortex 10mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence
- jibal 10mo agoThat's a fallacy of denial of the antecedent. You are inferring from the fact that airplanes really fly that AIs really think, but it's not a logically valid inference.
- hackernewds 10mo agoYeah at that point, just arguing semantics
- fc417fc802 10mo agoObserving a common (potential) failure mode is not equivalent to asserting a logical inference. It is only a fallacy if you "P, therefore C" which GP is not (at least to my eye) doing.
- jibal 10mo ago"Observing a common (potential) failure mode" That's not what we have here. "It is only a fallacy if you "P, therefore C" which GP is not (at least to my eye) doing." Some people are willfully blind.
- staticman2 10mo agoWhenever someone paraphrases a folksy aphorism about airplanes and birds or fish and submarines I suppose I'm meant to rebut with folksy aphorisms like: "A.I. and humans are as different as chalk and cheese." As aphorisms are a good way to think about this topic?