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> We can expect videos of unpopular minorities, doing horrible things Expect? You can post a random image of an unpopular minority, add some caption saying the

by oefrha 10mo ago

> We can expect videos of unpopular minorities, doing horrible things Expect? You can post a random image of an unpopular minority, add some caption saying they did horrible things, that is not reflected in the image at all, and tons of people will pile on. Don’t even need a fake video.

littlestymaar 10mo ago
In fact, this is already happening on a daily basis. IA ain't the problem here, so called social media are.
- tormeh 10mo ago
  Well, some news organizations are more than willing to spread fake news as well, so it's hardly limited to social media. I think it's just in-group vs out-group mentality, and a need to hate.
- markdown 10mo ago
  It was not happening on a daily basis on Twitter before Elon Musk. The endless flow of racism and bigotry on that website is a choice. It's convenient to blame the amorphous thing "social media" instead of the actual people responsible. There are only a handful of them: Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, etc. And stopping it is simple. It's a choice.
  - immibis 10mo ago
    It was, but it wasn't pushed into everyone's filter bubble.
yakshaving_jgt 10mo ago
For some reason this hurts worse. I was listening to James O’Brien on LBC, and [IIRC] he said he was serving jury duty with a woman who was convinced that Volodymyr Zelenskyy had spent hundreds of million of dollars on a super-yacht. He asked if she had any evidence for that claim, and she produced a picture of a boat. He said “That’s just a picture of a boat.”
- groestl 10mo ago
  Ironically, there is no evidence that woman ever said that.
  - anonymous908213 10mo ago
    There is, in fact, evidence that hundreds if not thousands of random people have said that: https://xcancel.com/KimDotcom/status/1729171832430027144 https://xcancel.com/KimDotcom/status/1729171832430027144 Perhaps you could even find that specific woman leaving an outraged comment over photos of boats if you looked hard enough!
    - netsharc 10mo ago
      Hah, Kim Dotcom is still around? In the 90s he was bragging that he's this super hacker that made millions, his website posted pics of parties, cars, girls, and yachts, and it turned out those were bought/rented using swindled investor money (ironic that he's accusing Zelensky of the same crime). Then he became a sort of hero when the US/NZ governments Team 6-ed his house for the crime of aiding copyright infringement. Now he's a Putin/Trump apologist...
      - tjpnz 10mo ago
        Still around and at a huge cost to the New Zealand taxpayer - people used to have some sympathy but public opinion turned against him years ago. His extradition was declared ok, long overdue he was put on a plane and made somebody else's problem.
        sunaookami 10mo ago
        The people of New Zealand should be mad at the illegal tactics used by the FBI and GCSB. And why should he be extradicted to a country he never visited?
      - gunt_crusher 10mo ago
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delusional 10mo ago
In my opinion, this isn't a problem of AI. the people who get deceived by this are willing participants in the lie. When proven wrong, they will fall back to the echo chamber and rely on it to give them more false facts. They won't seek information outside of their own circle. They cannot be understood as merely passively misinformed. They are actively lying to themselves.
- soneil 10mo ago
  What you'll tend to notice with "willing participants" is that they're not looking for truth, they're looking for confirmation. No-one asks for proof when you tell them what they want to hear.
hulitu 10mo ago
> You can post a random image of an unpopular minority, add some caption saying they did horrible things, that is not reflected in the image at all, and tons of people will pile on. We call this journalism and this is a respectable profession. /s
1718627440 10mo ago
What people tend to forget or dispel is that everything in society is based on trust. You can of course try to test every new fact for soundness with all the facts you already know, but fundamentally you need to trust something and in the end it just becomes a function of how much you trust the messenger. Undoing trustworthiness is a big issue and will lead to a lot of unrest in society. The reason you are not murdered today is not, because murder is hardly punished or hard to do, it is because most people aren't murders. If they were, we wouldn't be able to suppress it with force, we would simply live in hell.
- AuthAuth 10mo ago
  >What people tend to forget or dispel is that everything in society is based on trust Trust seems to have been completely erroded on the internet. Majority of the mainstream sites feed users "news" posts from unverified unknown accounts. Its bad, we need a way to get back a base level of trust.
insane_dreamer 10mo ago
But a fake video has a much greater effect that can even prompt companies or gov orgs to take action in response (as in this case).

by oefrha 10mo ago

littlestymaar 10mo ago

In fact, this is already happening on a daily basis. IA ain't the problem here, so called social media are.

tormeh 10mo ago
Well, some news organizations are more than willing to spread fake news as well, so it's hardly limited to social media. I think it's just in-group vs out-group mentality, and a need to hate.
markdown 10mo ago
It was not happening on a daily basis on Twitter before Elon Musk. The endless flow of racism and bigotry on that website is a choice. It's convenient to blame the amorphous thing "social media" instead of the actual people responsible. There are only a handful of them: Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, etc. And stopping it is simple. It's a choice.
- immibis 10mo ago
  It was, but it wasn't pushed into everyone's filter bubble.

yakshaving_jgt 10mo ago

For some reason this hurts worse. I was listening to James O’Brien on LBC, and [IIRC] he said he was serving jury duty with a woman who was convinced that Volodymyr Zelenskyy had spent hundreds of million of dollars on a super-yacht. He asked if she had any evidence for that claim, and she produced a picture of a boat. He said “That’s just a picture of a boat.”

groestl 10mo ago
Ironically, there is no evidence that woman ever said that.
- anonymous908213 10mo ago
  There is, in fact, evidence that hundreds if not thousands of random people have said that: https://xcancel.com/KimDotcom/status/1729171832430027144 https://xcancel.com/KimDotcom/status/1729171832430027144 Perhaps you could even find that specific woman leaving an outraged comment over photos of boats if you looked hard enough!
  - netsharc 10mo ago
    Hah, Kim Dotcom is still around? In the 90s he was bragging that he's this super hacker that made millions, his website posted pics of parties, cars, girls, and yachts, and it turned out those were bought/rented using swindled investor money (ironic that he's accusing Zelensky of the same crime). Then he became a sort of hero when the US/NZ governments Team 6-ed his house for the crime of aiding copyright infringement. Now he's a Putin/Trump apologist...
    - tjpnz 10mo ago
      Still around and at a huge cost to the New Zealand taxpayer - people used to have some sympathy but public opinion turned against him years ago. His extradition was declared ok, long overdue he was put on a plane and made somebody else's problem.
      - sunaookami 10mo ago
        The people of New Zealand should be mad at the illegal tactics used by the FBI and GCSB. And why should he be extradicted to a country he never visited?
    - gunt_crusher 10mo ago
      [dead]

delusional 10mo ago

In my opinion, this isn't a problem of AI. the people who get deceived by this are willing participants in the lie. When proven wrong, they will fall back to the echo chamber and rely on it to give them more false facts. They won't seek information outside of their own circle. They cannot be understood as merely passively misinformed. They are actively lying to themselves.

soneil 10mo ago
What you'll tend to notice with "willing participants" is that they're not looking for truth, they're looking for confirmation. No-one asks for proof when you tell them what they want to hear.

hulitu 10mo ago

> You can post a random image of an unpopular minority, add some caption saying they did horrible things, that is not reflected in the image at all, and tons of people will pile on. We call this journalism and this is a respectable profession. /s

1718627440 10mo ago

What people tend to forget or dispel is that everything in society is based on trust. You can of course try to test every new fact for soundness with all the facts you already know, but fundamentally you need to trust something and in the end it just becomes a function of how much you trust the messenger. Undoing trustworthiness is a big issue and will lead to a lot of unrest in society. The reason you are not murdered today is not, because murder is hardly punished or hard to do, it is because most people aren't murders. If they were, we wouldn't be able to suppress it with force, we would simply live in hell.

AuthAuth 10mo ago
>What people tend to forget or dispel is that everything in society is based on trust Trust seems to have been completely erroded on the internet. Majority of the mainstream sites feed users "news" posts from unverified unknown accounts. Its bad, we need a way to get back a base level of trust.

insane_dreamer 10mo ago

But a fake video has a much greater effect that can even prompt companies or gov orgs to take action in response (as in this case).