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It’s 100% the addiction. It’s ok, me too. At home I’m a 4-6 cup a day drinker. On the go 2-3 Starbucks. I have a serious problem.
by reactordev 11mo ago
It’s 100% the addiction.
It’s ok, me too. At home I’m a 4-6 cup a day drinker. On the go 2-3 Starbucks. I have a serious problem.
- lanfeust6 11mo agoNot necessarily. I only have one cup in the morning, that's it, but I enjoy it just the same so long as the beans are good and it's done right.
- mrmincent 11mo agoThat was me too. Turns out I was just self-medicating for adhd. I still skip the meds on the weekend so I can enjoy larger quantities of coffee.
- Muromec 11mo agoI'm not gonna lie, double espresso with ritalin before work is pretty good too. It's the T+2 date which is uncool.
- reactordev 11mo agoThat’s the ritalin. Find a healthier alternative like an energy bar with that double espresso. I find if I stack too much at once, I crash. One cup in the morning when I wake up. One before work right before the meetings. One in the afternoon to keep me fueled until dinner where I let myself gorge on protein and sugars until I crash.
- quaverquaver 11mo agosuggest many many cups of 1/3 caffeinated and 2/3 decaf. There are some observed health benefits to even decaf coffee... and its got potassium besides. I drink around 10 of these. lower longer peak. Joy!
- nurettin 11mo agoRitalin is a highly addictive substance that wrecks you, your life and the life of everyone around. Unfortunate that we have one in family.
- dotancohen 11mo agoAs a parent, tell me more. I have not yet heard this side of the coin.
- zrm 11mo agoRitalin is a chemical relative of amphetamine. In prescribed amounts it's often an effective treatment. In recreational amounts, ask your doctor about ΔFosB: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOSB#DeltaFosB https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOSB#DeltaFosB
- dotancohen 11mo agoI was unaware that Ritalin is used as a recreational drug.
- PaulHoule 11mo agoIt's a drug that is often diverted by people who have a prescription in order to make money.
- nurettin 11mo agoWell, I'd say lots of words for how horrible and terrible it is to have Mr. Jekyll and Hyde around. Any specific questions?
- dotancohen 11mo agoI don't know enough to ask specific questions. I could consult with an LLM, but if there is some risk or side effect that doctors do not typically mention, I'm all ears.
- brailsafe 11mo agoSame. During the week on meds I find that drinking more than half a litre just provokes unpleasant sweating and makes me feel frantic, some amount of brain fog and occasionally a mild headache, especially if I haven't been chugging water, which I guess is probably what most normal people get from coffee
- boothby 11mo agoWell, that's a bit of an unfair projection; I'm fairly fastidious about keeping my consumption around 2-3 cups a day before 11am and taking occasional tolerance breaks without consequence. But if you feel like your coffee intake is a problem that you have trouble controlling, maybe cut back.
- reactordev 11mo agoIt’s my wallet that is angry, my brain still wants more.
- runlaszlorun 11mo agoI switched to the cheap stuff and now my palate is angry...
- enlyth 11mo agoPeople act like addiction is a word with an inherent negative connotation, but that's not the case, you can totally be addicted to healthy behaviours
- rubatuga 11mo agoYou're confused about the definition of addiction... breathing is an addiction too by your logic
- luqtas 11mo agodon't be silly. next stop is to reduce pooping. but yeah, exercising can be an addiction? as sex. now doing these daily is fine. it turns into addiction when you can't stop or interfere negatively with your routine
- petercooper 11mo agoSeems to fall into the difference between "addiction" when used as a common, everyday word, and the alternative medical meaning.
- rubatuga 11mo agoAh, I am a bit biased to the medical meaning
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- standardUser 11mo agoAddiction to any given substance is highly variable from person to person, and there's a lot of data to back that up. I recall a friend describing their struggle to quit caffeine, which I mocked at first, until I realized it sounded exactly like my brutal struggle to quit nicotine. Yet, plenty of people quit cigarettes effortlessly. Nicotine is one of the most variable, but caffeine, alcohol and cocaine vary widely too. I imagine we'd find this is the case for most substances if we had the data. In a sane world, we'd give every kid their addiction predisposition profile when they turn 13.
- reactordev 11mo agoThe hardest part of quitting anything is changing the behavioral habits that came with it. For smoking, I bet you have the urge after a meal to smoke. Maybe you’re triggered when you drive long distances to “calm the nerves”. The issue is those triggers, those behaviors, need to be unlearned before you can attempt to quit. That’s why it’s easy for people who haven’t developed those behavioral habits and hard a hell for those who have. Former smoker myself so I totally get it. I can give that up, but caffeine - coffee? I’ll die with a cup on the counter half full.
- standardUser 11mo agoThe literature on this is clear cut. People absorb, metabolize and experience drugs differently, which has a big impact on how addiction takes hold. It's obviously not the only factor! But it's a big one and somewhat quantifiable. Personally, I wasn't a "trigger" smoker, I was an "every chance I got smoker". I assume my nicotine metabolism is higher than average, which is linked to frequency of consumption and hence propensity for addiction. I also assume I have fast caffeine metabolism since I consume it at all hours with no consequence, but unlike nicotine that's linked to a lower propensity for addiction, which matches my experience.
- superkuh 11mo agoCaffeine is not chemically addictive. It can lead to depedency but that is not addiction. Motivation and wanting are not altered but unpleasant withdrawl effects can occur.
- tayo42 11mo agoHow do you explain the headaches and exhaustion durring withdrawal then?
- alexey-salmin 11mo agoThat's just how life feels without caffeine, not a withdrawal effect.
- superkuh 11mo agoThat's called chemical dependence and it's the point I'm trying to make. Dependence is not addiction. Addiction means wanting is hijacked, not that stopping is aversive. Addiction and dependence have real medical meanings and in the context of this discussion and we shouldn't mix them up. See this very short and to the point lancet medical journal summary, https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(2300230-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0... >Addiction (synonymous with substance use disorder), as defined by the DSM-5, entails compulsive use, craving, and impaired control over drug taking in addition to physical dependence. The vast majority of patients taking medications such as opioids and benzodiazepines are doing so as prescribed by clinicians, with only 1·5% of people taking benzodiazepine being addicted, for example. Physical dependence is much more common than addiction. Importantly, withdrawal effects occur irrespective of whether these drugs are taken as prescribed or misused. >Failure to distinguish between addiction and physical dependence can have real-life consequences. People who have difficulty stopping their medications because of withdrawal effects can be accused of addiction or misuse. Misdiagnosis of physical dependence as addiction can also lead to inappropriate management, including referral to 12-step addiction-based detoxification and rehabilitation centres, focusing on psychological aspects of harmful use rather than the physiology of withdrawal. >It should be made clear that dependence is not the same as addiction. The problems with prescribed drug dependence are not restricted to the small minority who are misusing or addicted to these drugs, but to the wider population who are physically dependent on and might not be able easily to stop their medications because of withdrawal effects. Antidepressants (superkuh note: and caffeine) should be categorised with other drugs that cause withdrawal syndromes as dependence-forming medications, while noting that they do not cause addiction.
- markus_zhang 11mo agoI don't want to get too deep into caffeine addiction so I drink mostly decaffeinated coffee. Am I just cheating myself?
- reactordev 11mo agoNo, there’s benefits from drinking coffee whether it’s caffeinated or not.
- markus_zhang 11mo agoAh, it’s good to know that. Unfortunately my stomach feels a bit weird after too much coffee. Wish I could drink more.
- amelius 11mo ago> Starbucks By the way, why does Starbucks make such bad cappuccinos? The milk is foamy instead of creamy. There is no heart shape or any shape really. And the entire beverage is too hot.
- reactordev 11mo agoBlame the barista. The quality has gone down significantly over the last decade. It’s either a tall in a venti cup. A flat white when it should be a white mocha. Or a mocha. In the end, it’s still a quick service restaurant. Training is an expense. Now they just press buttons. If my local cafe could deliver me coffee that would be great, until then I’m short on time and hit the drive thru. Say this next time: “Cappuccino, whole milk, no foam” and see what they do.
- amelius 11mo agoYeah, one problem is that the person who takes the order is not the person who brews the coffee.