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This looks like exactly what everyone wanted before VMWare decided to release that bloated pig named vcloud director. If it scales and the proxmox team can gro

by tw04 11mo ago

This looks like exactly what everyone wanted before VMWare decided to release that bloated pig named vcloud director. If it scales and the proxmox team can grow their support organization, they’ll have a real shot at capturing significant vmware marketshare.

throwaway270925 11mo ago
This seems to be more of a VCenter counterpart, vcloud director was more about the multi tenancy (and multi cloud). But a great step nonetheless! Hope they grow too.
- gerdesj 11mo ago
  A vCentre runs one or more datacentres but only for one organisation or org umbrella. A PDM can connect to and control multiple "trusting" parties. I (we) have several customers with PVE deployments and VPNs etc to manage them. PDM allows me to use a single pane of glass to manage the lot, with no loss of security. My PDM does need to be properly secured and I need to ensure that each customer is properly separated from each other (minimal IPSEC P2s and also firewall ingress and egress rules at all ends for good measure). I should also point out that a vCentre is a Linux box with two Tomcat deployments and 15 virty discs. One TC is the management and monitoring system for the actual vCentre effort. Each one is a monster. Then you slap on all the other bits and pieces - their SDN efforts have probably improved since I laughed at them 10+ years ago. VMware encourage you to run a separate management cluster which is a bit crap for any org sub say 5000 users. PDM is just a controller of controllers and that's all you need. Small, fast and a bit lovely.
moondev 11mo ago
Wouldn't this be more like Proxmox Datacenter Manager = VMware vcenter Proxmox VE = VMware ESXi
- seized 11mo ago
  Not quite so clean. VE can be a cluster of nodes that you can still manage via the same UI. ESXi cant do that, ESXi UI is a single node, and not even everything that a single node can do with vCenter added. Proxmox VE is both ESXi and some/most of vCenter.

by tw04 11mo ago

throwaway270925 11mo ago

This seems to be more of a VCenter counterpart, vcloud director was more about the multi tenancy (and multi cloud). But a great step nonetheless! Hope they grow too.

gerdesj 11mo ago
A vCentre runs one or more datacentres but only for one organisation or org umbrella. A PDM can connect to and control multiple "trusting" parties. I (we) have several customers with PVE deployments and VPNs etc to manage them. PDM allows me to use a single pane of glass to manage the lot, with no loss of security. My PDM does need to be properly secured and I need to ensure that each customer is properly separated from each other (minimal IPSEC P2s and also firewall ingress and egress rules at all ends for good measure). I should also point out that a vCentre is a Linux box with two Tomcat deployments and 15 virty discs. One TC is the management and monitoring system for the actual vCentre effort. Each one is a monster. Then you slap on all the other bits and pieces - their SDN efforts have probably improved since I laughed at them 10+ years ago. VMware encourage you to run a separate management cluster which is a bit crap for any org sub say 5000 users. PDM is just a controller of controllers and that's all you need. Small, fast and a bit lovely.

moondev 11mo ago

Wouldn't this be more like Proxmox Datacenter Manager = VMware vcenter Proxmox VE = VMware ESXi

seized 11mo ago
Not quite so clean. VE can be a cluster of nodes that you can still manage via the same UI. ESXi cant do that, ESXi UI is a single node, and not even everything that a single node can do with vCenter added. Proxmox VE is both ESXi and some/most of vCenter.