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This is FUD. Java has many open source implementations and nobody needs to deal with Oracle.

jve 11mo ago
Well except Google that got sued for US$8.8 Billion because they decided to use specific API signatures but provide their own implementation...?!
- Hedepig 11mo ago
  ... and Oracle lost
  - cwillu 11mo ago
    And the lesson is not to trust Oracle.
- OrangeMusic 11mo ago
  Come on, that's a completely different story, Google made their own independent SDK using but incompatible with Java. Nobody's arguing you should do that. Plus last time I checked Oracle lost that lawsuit.
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- krzyk 10mo ago
  What Google did was similar what Microsoft did back in the days. Marketing something as Java, but wasn't Java.
  - pjmlp 10mo ago
    It incredible how far the "Do not evil" marketing won the hearts of computing nerds, Google only got positive karma for doing with Android exactly what Microsoft did with J++. To this day Android Java is not fully compatible with Java proper, and Kotlin became Google's version of C#.
vidarh 11mo ago
Even if we postulate that he fear is unwarranted and irrational, the fear is still real, based on Oracles history of lawsuits, and so the explanation still holds.
- gf000 11mo ago
  It explains nothing. Java is possibly the safest bet on the future, it's open source both in spec and in the most common implementation (OpenJDK), and is so widely used that there are multiple FAANG companies critically dependent on Java working that alone could continue the development of the platform were anything happen. Besides, Oracle has been a surprisingly good steward of the language.
  - cwillu 11mo ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_LLC_v._Oracle_America,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_LLC_v._Oracle_America,_.... is not what I would call “good stewardship”
    - gf000 11mo ago
      What relevance does it have at the topic at hand? Can you give an example of what could happen that would make sense to worry about?
      - TimTheTinker 11mo ago
        It's a lawsuit by Oracle against a FAANG company that relates in some (even tangential) way to the FAANG company's use of Java. That's all that's needed to create a sense of caution for would-be adopters.
        gf000 11mo ago
        Running Java is not remotely the same as copying the API interface of the whole standard library and providing an alternative implementation, just to avoid paying Sun, who specifically intended on getting money from mobile usage. Oracle lost the lawsuit and I do agree with the decision in that APIs should be freely replicated, but let's not pretend that Google was some saint good guy here fighting the good fight, they were just cheap and aggressively capitalistic.

jve 11mo ago

Well except Google that got sued for US$8.8 Billion because they decided to use specific API signatures but provide their own implementation...?!

Hedepig 11mo ago
... and Oracle lost
- cwillu 11mo ago
  And the lesson is not to trust Oracle.
OrangeMusic 11mo ago
Come on, that's a completely different story, Google made their own independent SDK using but incompatible with Java. Nobody's arguing you should do that. Plus last time I checked Oracle lost that lawsuit.
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krzyk 10mo ago
What Google did was similar what Microsoft did back in the days. Marketing something as Java, but wasn't Java.
- pjmlp 10mo ago
  It incredible how far the "Do not evil" marketing won the hearts of computing nerds, Google only got positive karma for doing with Android exactly what Microsoft did with J++. To this day Android Java is not fully compatible with Java proper, and Kotlin became Google's version of C#.

vidarh 11mo ago

Even if we postulate that he fear is unwarranted and irrational, the fear is still real, based on Oracles history of lawsuits, and so the explanation still holds.

gf000 11mo ago
It explains nothing. Java is possibly the safest bet on the future, it's open source both in spec and in the most common implementation (OpenJDK), and is so widely used that there are multiple FAANG companies critically dependent on Java working that alone could continue the development of the platform were anything happen. Besides, Oracle has been a surprisingly good steward of the language.
- cwillu 11mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_LLC_v._Oracle_America,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_LLC_v._Oracle_America,_.... is not what I would call “good stewardship”
  - gf000 11mo ago
    What relevance does it have at the topic at hand? Can you give an example of what could happen that would make sense to worry about?
    - TimTheTinker 11mo ago
      It's a lawsuit by Oracle against a FAANG company that relates in some (even tangential) way to the FAANG company's use of Java. That's all that's needed to create a sense of caution for would-be adopters.
      - gf000 11mo ago
        Running Java is not remotely the same as copying the API interface of the whole standard library and providing an alternative implementation, just to avoid paying Sun, who specifically intended on getting money from mobile usage. Oracle lost the lawsuit and I do agree with the decision in that APIs should be freely replicated, but let's not pretend that Google was some saint good guy here fighting the good fight, they were just cheap and aggressively capitalistic.