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I searched but could not find the "bought" or "money" or "dollar" or "stock" words in the marketing fluff piece, so it definitely does not answer the question i

I searched but could not find the "bought" or "money" or "dollar" or "stock" words in the marketing fluff piece, so it definitely does not answer the question in the title. What was the value of the transaction?

dmoy 11mo ago
> What was the value of the transaction? I think this is being intentionally kept under wraps, so nobody who can say anything knows.
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mrweasel 11mo ago
The term "joining" irritates me more than it should, because you're correct in asking "What is the value of the transaction?". My guess is that they aren't joining anything, CloudFlare bought the company and is keeping the team.
- shawabawa3 11mo ago
  > CloudFlare bought the company and is keeping the team. So the team is joining cloudflare...?
  - michaelt 11mo ago
    After an incredible journey, I’m excited to announce a case of beer is joining my fridge.
    - malfist 11mo ago
      I think it's more like: after an incredible journey, I'm excited to announce this hamburger is joining my stomach
  - the_gipsy 11mo ago
    And the money is joining some bank accounts!
  - mrweasel 11mo ago
    Sure, but Replicate will probably cease to exist in the near future. So a more accurate title could be: Cloudflare buys out Replicate and transfers staff to internal teams.
  - locknitpicker 11mo ago
    > So the team is joining cloudflare...? That's not a given as well. An acquisition usually involves restructuring the acquired company, sometimes in a way where the original team ceases to exist.
  - LtWorf 11mo ago
    No they will all get sacked next year.
GaryBluto 11mo ago
It's a pretentious way of saying they acquired them. https://blog.cloudflare.com/tag/acquisitions/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/tag/acquisitions/
- amiga386 11mo ago
  Let us see if Replicate and Cog are shut down, and it becomes an Incredible Journey: https://ourincrediblejourney.tumblr.com/post/89180616013/what-is-an-incredible-journey https://ourincrediblejourney.tumblr.com/post/89180616013/wha...
  - sg0pf 11mo ago
    > An incredible journey is: One company buying another and closing its services down. This is a purchase of the second company’s staff, rather than their product. An acquihire. > This is what is galling. A company that can afford to pay millions for some new staff but not for what those staff built. The people who used the service, and invested their belief and time in uploading photos, or forming friendships, or logging data, are left to find new virtual homes while their former hosts enjoy a nice (if possibly delayed) payday. > This repeated pattern only encourages more people to create flashy services that have no hope of being sustainable businesses in their own right, but may survive long enough, with VC funding, to attract the attention of a large company eager for new ideas and staff. The last paragraph is what gets me -- it makes sense to me found startups in hopes to be acquired (continue their work with the support of a big company), but founding with the intention to abandon your users? Yuck.
pzo 11mo ago
The did explain a little bit: > We’ll be able to do things like run fast models on the edge, run model pipelines on instantly-booting Workers, stream model inputs and outputs with WebRTC, etc. Benefit to 3rd party developers is reducing latency and improving robustness of AI pipeline. Instead of going back and forth with https request at each stage to do inference you could make all in one request, e.g. doing realtime, pipelined STT, text translation, some backend logic, TTS and back to user mobile device.
- weird-eye-issue 11mo ago
  You are seemingly answering something that they did not ask at all
- badmonster 11mo ago
  Does edge inference really solve the latency issue for most use cases? How does cost compare at scale?
  - viraptor 11mo ago
    Depends on how much the latency matters to you and the customers. Most services realistically won't gain much at all. Even the latency of normal web requests is very rarely relevant. Only the business itself and answer that question though.
    - chrisweekly 11mo ago
      > "Even the latency of normal web requests is very rarely relevant." Hard disagree. Performance is typically the most important feature for any website. User abandonment / bounce rate follows a predictable, steep, nonlinear curve based on latency.
      - viraptor 11mo ago
        I've changed the latency of actual services as well as core web vials many times and... no. Turns out the line is not that steep. For the range 200ms-1s, it's pretty much flat. Sure, you can start seeing issues for multi second requests, but that's terrible processing time. A change like eliminating intercontinental transfer latency - barely visible in results in ecommerce. There's this old meme of Amazon seeing a difference for every 100ms latency and I've never seen it actually reproduced in a controlled way. Even when CF tries to advertise lower latency https://www.cloudflare.com/en-au/learning/performance/more/website-performance-conversion-rates/ https://www.cloudflare.com/en-au/learning/performance/more/w... their data is companies reducing it by whole seconds. "Walmart found that for every 1 second improvement in page load time, conversions increased by 2%" - that's not steep. When there's a claim about improvements per 100ms, it's still based on averaging multi-second data like in https://auditzy.com/blog/impact-of-fast-load-times-on-user-experience https://auditzy.com/blog/impact-of-fast-load-times-on-user-e... In short - if you have something extremely interactive, I'm sure it matters for experience. For a typical website loading in under 1s, edge will barely matter. If you have data proving otherwise, I'd genuinely love to see that. For websites loading in over 1s, it's likely much easier to improve the core experience than split thing out into edge.

dmoy 11mo ago

> What was the value of the transaction? I think this is being intentionally kept under wraps, so nobody who can say anything knows.

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mrweasel 11mo ago

The term "joining" irritates me more than it should, because you're correct in asking "What is the value of the transaction?". My guess is that they aren't joining anything, CloudFlare bought the company and is keeping the team.

shawabawa3 11mo ago
> CloudFlare bought the company and is keeping the team. So the team is joining cloudflare...?
- michaelt 11mo ago
  After an incredible journey, I’m excited to announce a case of beer is joining my fridge.
  - malfist 11mo ago
    I think it's more like: after an incredible journey, I'm excited to announce this hamburger is joining my stomach
- the_gipsy 11mo ago
  And the money is joining some bank accounts!
- mrweasel 11mo ago
  Sure, but Replicate will probably cease to exist in the near future. So a more accurate title could be: Cloudflare buys out Replicate and transfers staff to internal teams.
- locknitpicker 11mo ago
  > So the team is joining cloudflare...? That's not a given as well. An acquisition usually involves restructuring the acquired company, sometimes in a way where the original team ceases to exist.
- LtWorf 11mo ago
  No they will all get sacked next year.

GaryBluto 11mo ago

It's a pretentious way of saying they acquired them. https://blog.cloudflare.com/tag/acquisitions/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/tag/acquisitions/

amiga386 11mo ago
Let us see if Replicate and Cog are shut down, and it becomes an Incredible Journey: https://ourincrediblejourney.tumblr.com/post/89180616013/what-is-an-incredible-journey https://ourincrediblejourney.tumblr.com/post/89180616013/wha...
- sg0pf 11mo ago
  > An incredible journey is: One company buying another and closing its services down. This is a purchase of the second company’s staff, rather than their product. An acquihire. > This is what is galling. A company that can afford to pay millions for some new staff but not for what those staff built. The people who used the service, and invested their belief and time in uploading photos, or forming friendships, or logging data, are left to find new virtual homes while their former hosts enjoy a nice (if possibly delayed) payday. > This repeated pattern only encourages more people to create flashy services that have no hope of being sustainable businesses in their own right, but may survive long enough, with VC funding, to attract the attention of a large company eager for new ideas and staff. The last paragraph is what gets me -- it makes sense to me found startups in hopes to be acquired (continue their work with the support of a big company), but founding with the intention to abandon your users? Yuck.

pzo 11mo ago

The did explain a little bit: > We’ll be able to do things like run fast models on the edge, run model pipelines on instantly-booting Workers, stream model inputs and outputs with WebRTC, etc. Benefit to 3rd party developers is reducing latency and improving robustness of AI pipeline. Instead of going back and forth with https request at each stage to do inference you could make all in one request, e.g. doing realtime, pipelined STT, text translation, some backend logic, TTS and back to user mobile device.

weird-eye-issue 11mo ago
You are seemingly answering something that they did not ask at all
badmonster 11mo ago
Does edge inference really solve the latency issue for most use cases? How does cost compare at scale?
- viraptor 11mo ago
  Depends on how much the latency matters to you and the customers. Most services realistically won't gain much at all. Even the latency of normal web requests is very rarely relevant. Only the business itself and answer that question though.
  - chrisweekly 11mo ago
    > "Even the latency of normal web requests is very rarely relevant." Hard disagree. Performance is typically the most important feature for any website. User abandonment / bounce rate follows a predictable, steep, nonlinear curve based on latency.
    - viraptor 11mo ago
      I've changed the latency of actual services as well as core web vials many times and... no. Turns out the line is not that steep. For the range 200ms-1s, it's pretty much flat. Sure, you can start seeing issues for multi second requests, but that's terrible processing time. A change like eliminating intercontinental transfer latency - barely visible in results in ecommerce. There's this old meme of Amazon seeing a difference for every 100ms latency and I've never seen it actually reproduced in a controlled way. Even when CF tries to advertise lower latency https://www.cloudflare.com/en-au/learning/performance/more/website-performance-conversion-rates/ https://www.cloudflare.com/en-au/learning/performance/more/w... their data is companies reducing it by whole seconds. "Walmart found that for every 1 second improvement in page load time, conversions increased by 2%" - that's not steep. When there's a claim about improvements per 100ms, it's still based on averaging multi-second data like in https://auditzy.com/blog/impact-of-fast-load-times-on-user-experience https://auditzy.com/blog/impact-of-fast-load-times-on-user-e... In short - if you have something extremely interactive, I'm sure it matters for experience. For a typical website loading in under 1s, edge will barely matter. If you have data proving otherwise, I'd genuinely love to see that. For websites loading in over 1s, it's likely much easier to improve the core experience than split thing out into edge.