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> what the market wants Pretty sure the market doesn't want more AI slop.

nicbou 10mo ago
I understand it as the market wanting more content about competing in an AI world
Geste 10mo ago
Sora's app has a 4.8 rating on the app store with 142K rating. It seems to me that the market does not care about slop or not, whether I like it or not.
- Ocerge 10mo ago
  I don't understand why you're being downvoted, you're not wrong. I think Suno being successful bums me out, I really hate it, but people that are not me love it. I can't do anything about that.
  - johnnyanmac 10mo ago
    >but people that are not me love it Are people that are not you making it profitable? That's the obvious issue.
    - duskdozer 10mo ago
      Maybe not now. I imagine it'll go the way of many other things: buy demand with a product that beats alternatives in perceived quality and/or cost -> create a dependence on the product -> wait for the death of competition -> monetize heavily on a dependent userbase.
- johnnyanmac 10mo ago
  >the market does not care about slop or not Okay. Lemme know when they need to pay for it. A free app for a trillion dollar investment isn't the flex Altman wants to make it seem.
infecto 10mo ago
There is absolutely AI slop out there. Many companies rushed to add AI, a glorified chat bot to their existing product, and have marketed it as AI. There is also absolutely very tasteful products that add value using LLM and other more recent advancements. Both can exist at the same time.
- johnnyanmac 10mo ago
  >Both can exist at the same time. They can. But I'm not digging in a swamp to find a gold nugget. Let me know when swamp is drained. Hopefully the nugget isn't drained with it.
  - infecto 10mo ago
    You just reply to all my comments with your negativity. If you cannot see it, I am sorry for you.
    - johnnyanmac 10mo ago
      Don't know who you're talking about. I took a scan and see this is my only reply to you anywhere in this chaiin. If everywre you go smells..... Try to focus on the argument next time instead of the person. Especially if you're leaving so many replies you can't keep up with. "I'm sorry for you" isn't convincing anyone and only weakinig your point.
      - infecto 10mo ago
        Oh get over it. I truly dislike replies that gaslight. You replied to 3-4 of my comments with the same doom and gloom, it’s a swamp, it’s all hype. I am saying unless you having something new just stop it.
_vqpz 10mo ago
Nobody that actually understands the market right now would say that
- johnnyanmac 10mo ago
  Nobody paid to pretend to actually understand the market would say that. They have a paycheck to get. Meanwhile, actual consumer sentiment is at all time lows for AI.
  - _vqpz 10mo ago
    Source: trust me bro
adventured 10mo ago
The market wants a lot more high quality AI slop and that's going to be the case perpetually for the rest of the time that humanity exists. We are not going back. The only thing that's going to change is the quality of the slop will get better by the year.
- DamnInteresting 10mo ago
  > The market wants a lot more high quality AI slop "High quality AI slop" is a contradiction in terms. The relevant definitions[1] are "food waste (such as garbage) fed to animals", "a product of little or no value." By definition, the best slop is only a little terrible. [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slop https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slop
- johnnyanmac 10mo ago
  >The market wants a lot more high quality AI slop They sure aren't paying for it. It's great how we're on a business topic we're not talking about the fact that the market demand doesn't match the investment put into it.
Aurornis 10mo ago
Pretty sure HN has become completely detached from the market at this point. Demand for AI anything is incredible high right now. AI providers are constantly bouncing off of capacity limits. AI apps in app stores are pulling incredible download numbers.
- johnnyanmac 10mo ago
  If you only focus on money and not the actual societal effects, it's very easy to divorce yourself from society. Thars prerty much what billionaires have been doing for decades now. Data centre's and the stock market are not humans. They are powered by humans who's incentives do not align with the betterment of humanity. Be careful looking down the green abyss.

nicbou 10mo ago

I understand it as the market wanting more content about competing in an AI world

Geste 10mo ago

Sora's app has a 4.8 rating on the app store with 142K rating. It seems to me that the market does not care about slop or not, whether I like it or not.

Ocerge 10mo ago
I don't understand why you're being downvoted, you're not wrong. I think Suno being successful bums me out, I really hate it, but people that are not me love it. I can't do anything about that.
- johnnyanmac 10mo ago
  >but people that are not me love it Are people that are not you making it profitable? That's the obvious issue.
  - duskdozer 10mo ago
    Maybe not now. I imagine it'll go the way of many other things: buy demand with a product that beats alternatives in perceived quality and/or cost -> create a dependence on the product -> wait for the death of competition -> monetize heavily on a dependent userbase.
johnnyanmac 10mo ago
>the market does not care about slop or not Okay. Lemme know when they need to pay for it. A free app for a trillion dollar investment isn't the flex Altman wants to make it seem.

infecto 10mo ago

There is absolutely AI slop out there. Many companies rushed to add AI, a glorified chat bot to their existing product, and have marketed it as AI. There is also absolutely very tasteful products that add value using LLM and other more recent advancements. Both can exist at the same time.

johnnyanmac 10mo ago
>Both can exist at the same time. They can. But I'm not digging in a swamp to find a gold nugget. Let me know when swamp is drained. Hopefully the nugget isn't drained with it.
- infecto 10mo ago
  You just reply to all my comments with your negativity. If you cannot see it, I am sorry for you.
  - johnnyanmac 10mo ago
    Don't know who you're talking about. I took a scan and see this is my only reply to you anywhere in this chaiin. If everywre you go smells..... Try to focus on the argument next time instead of the person. Especially if you're leaving so many replies you can't keep up with. "I'm sorry for you" isn't convincing anyone and only weakinig your point.
    - infecto 10mo ago
      Oh get over it. I truly dislike replies that gaslight. You replied to 3-4 of my comments with the same doom and gloom, it’s a swamp, it’s all hype. I am saying unless you having something new just stop it.

_vqpz 10mo ago

Nobody that actually understands the market right now would say that

johnnyanmac 10mo ago
Nobody paid to pretend to actually understand the market would say that. They have a paycheck to get. Meanwhile, actual consumer sentiment is at all time lows for AI.
- _vqpz 10mo ago
  Source: trust me bro

adventured 10mo ago

The market wants a lot more high quality AI slop and that's going to be the case perpetually for the rest of the time that humanity exists. We are not going back. The only thing that's going to change is the quality of the slop will get better by the year.

DamnInteresting 10mo ago
> The market wants a lot more high quality AI slop "High quality AI slop" is a contradiction in terms. The relevant definitions[1] are "food waste (such as garbage) fed to animals", "a product of little or no value." By definition, the best slop is only a little terrible. [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slop https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slop
johnnyanmac 10mo ago
>The market wants a lot more high quality AI slop They sure aren't paying for it. It's great how we're on a business topic we're not talking about the fact that the market demand doesn't match the investment put into it.

Aurornis 10mo ago

Pretty sure HN has become completely detached from the market at this point. Demand for AI anything is incredible high right now. AI providers are constantly bouncing off of capacity limits. AI apps in app stores are pulling incredible download numbers.

johnnyanmac 10mo ago
If you only focus on money and not the actual societal effects, it's very easy to divorce yourself from society. Thars prerty much what billionaires have been doing for decades now. Data centre's and the stock market are not humans. They are powered by humans who's incentives do not align with the betterment of humanity. Be careful looking down the green abyss.