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> Landing projects for Set Studio has been extremely difficult, especially as we won’t work on product marketing for AI stuff If all of "AI stuff" is a "no" fo

> Landing projects for Set Studio has been extremely difficult, especially as we won’t work on product marketing for AI stuff If all of "AI stuff" is a "no" for you, then I think you just signed out off working in most industries to some important degree going forward. This is also not to say that service providers should not have any moral standards. I just don't understand the expectation in this particular case. You ignore what the market wants and where a lot/most of new capital turns up. What's the idea? You are a service provider, you are not a market maker. If you refuse service with the market that exists, you don't have a market. Regardless, I really like their aesthetics (which we need more of in the world) and do hope that they find a way to make it work for themselves.

otabdeveloper4 11mo ago
> what the market wants Pretty sure the market doesn't want more AI slop.
- nicbou 11mo ago
  I understand it as the market wanting more content about competing in an AI world
- Geste 11mo ago
  Sora's app has a 4.8 rating on the app store with 142K rating. It seems to me that the market does not care about slop or not, whether I like it or not.
  - Ocerge 11mo ago
    I don't understand why you're being downvoted, you're not wrong. I think Suno being successful bums me out, I really hate it, but people that are not me love it. I can't do anything about that.
    - johnnyanmac 11mo ago
      >but people that are not me love it Are people that are not you making it profitable? That's the obvious issue.
      - duskdozer 11mo ago
        Maybe not now. I imagine it'll go the way of many other things: buy demand with a product that beats alternatives in perceived quality and/or cost -> create a dependence on the product -> wait for the death of competition -> monetize heavily on a dependent userbase.
  - johnnyanmac 11mo ago
    >the market does not care about slop or not Okay. Lemme know when they need to pay for it. A free app for a trillion dollar investment isn't the flex Altman wants to make it seem.
- infecto 11mo ago
  There is absolutely AI slop out there. Many companies rushed to add AI, a glorified chat bot to their existing product, and have marketed it as AI. There is also absolutely very tasteful products that add value using LLM and other more recent advancements. Both can exist at the same time.
  - johnnyanmac 11mo ago
    >Both can exist at the same time. They can. But I'm not digging in a swamp to find a gold nugget. Let me know when swamp is drained. Hopefully the nugget isn't drained with it.
    - infecto 11mo ago
      You just reply to all my comments with your negativity. If you cannot see it, I am sorry for you.
      - johnnyanmac 11mo ago
        Don't know who you're talking about. I took a scan and see this is my only reply to you anywhere in this chaiin. If everywre you go smells..... Try to focus on the argument next time instead of the person. Especially if you're leaving so many replies you can't keep up with. "I'm sorry for you" isn't convincing anyone and only weakinig your point.
        infecto 11mo ago
        Oh get over it. I truly dislike replies that gaslight. You replied to 3-4 of my comments with the same doom and gloom, it’s a swamp, it’s all hype. I am saying unless you having something new just stop it.
- _vqpz 11mo ago
  Nobody that actually understands the market right now would say that
  - johnnyanmac 11mo ago
    Nobody paid to pretend to actually understand the market would say that. They have a paycheck to get. Meanwhile, actual consumer sentiment is at all time lows for AI.
    - _vqpz 11mo ago
      Source: trust me bro
- adventured 11mo ago
  The market wants a lot more high quality AI slop and that's going to be the case perpetually for the rest of the time that humanity exists. We are not going back. The only thing that's going to change is the quality of the slop will get better by the year.
  - DamnInteresting 11mo ago
    > The market wants a lot more high quality AI slop "High quality AI slop" is a contradiction in terms. The relevant definitions[1] are "food waste (such as garbage) fed to animals", "a product of little or no value." By definition, the best slop is only a little terrible. [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slop https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slop
  - johnnyanmac 11mo ago
    >The market wants a lot more high quality AI slop They sure aren't paying for it. It's great how we're on a business topic we're not talking about the fact that the market demand doesn't match the investment put into it.
- Aurornis 11mo ago
  Pretty sure HN has become completely detached from the market at this point. Demand for AI anything is incredible high right now. AI providers are constantly bouncing off of capacity limits. AI apps in app stores are pulling incredible download numbers.
  - johnnyanmac 11mo ago
    If you only focus on money and not the actual societal effects, it's very easy to divorce yourself from society. Thars prerty much what billionaires have been doing for decades now. Data centre's and the stock market are not humans. They are powered by humans who's incentives do not align with the betterment of humanity. Be careful looking down the green abyss.
monkaiju 11mo ago
> If all of "AI stuff" is a "no" for you, then I think you just signed out off working in most industries to some important degree going forward. I'm not sure the penetration of AI, especially to a degree where participants must use it, is all that permanent in many of these industries. Already the industry where it is arguably the most "present" (forced in) is SWE and its proving to be quite disappointing... Where I work the more senior you are the less AI you use
- doug_durham 11mo ago
  Just the opposite where I work. Seniors are best positioned to effectively use AI and are using it enthusiastically.
  - lisbbb 11mo ago
    Because senior devs always have to toe the line of every corporate fad or they are pushed out.
- tokioyoyo 11mo ago
  Yeah, gotta disagree with this one. Every senior and above around me have figured a workflow that makes their job faster. Internal usage dashboards say the same thing.
  - johnnyanmac 11mo ago
    Fighting with anecdotes is as productive as always. Especially over trends. The big issue is Ai isn't profitable. Streaming services is actuslly useful, but well see how that lasts.
- satvikpendem 11mo ago
  Even if it isn't, the OP can still make hay while the sun is still shining, even if it'll eventually set, as the saying goes. But to not make hay and slowly see it set while losing your income, I won't ever understand that.

otabdeveloper4 11mo ago

> what the market wants Pretty sure the market doesn't want more AI slop.

nicbou 11mo ago
I understand it as the market wanting more content about competing in an AI world
Geste 11mo ago
Sora's app has a 4.8 rating on the app store with 142K rating. It seems to me that the market does not care about slop or not, whether I like it or not.
- Ocerge 11mo ago
  I don't understand why you're being downvoted, you're not wrong. I think Suno being successful bums me out, I really hate it, but people that are not me love it. I can't do anything about that.
  - johnnyanmac 11mo ago
    >but people that are not me love it Are people that are not you making it profitable? That's the obvious issue.
    - duskdozer 11mo ago
      Maybe not now. I imagine it'll go the way of many other things: buy demand with a product that beats alternatives in perceived quality and/or cost -> create a dependence on the product -> wait for the death of competition -> monetize heavily on a dependent userbase.
- johnnyanmac 11mo ago
  >the market does not care about slop or not Okay. Lemme know when they need to pay for it. A free app for a trillion dollar investment isn't the flex Altman wants to make it seem.
infecto 11mo ago
There is absolutely AI slop out there. Many companies rushed to add AI, a glorified chat bot to their existing product, and have marketed it as AI. There is also absolutely very tasteful products that add value using LLM and other more recent advancements. Both can exist at the same time.
- johnnyanmac 11mo ago
  >Both can exist at the same time. They can. But I'm not digging in a swamp to find a gold nugget. Let me know when swamp is drained. Hopefully the nugget isn't drained with it.
  - infecto 11mo ago
    You just reply to all my comments with your negativity. If you cannot see it, I am sorry for you.
    - johnnyanmac 11mo ago
      Don't know who you're talking about. I took a scan and see this is my only reply to you anywhere in this chaiin. If everywre you go smells..... Try to focus on the argument next time instead of the person. Especially if you're leaving so many replies you can't keep up with. "I'm sorry for you" isn't convincing anyone and only weakinig your point.
      - infecto 11mo ago
        Oh get over it. I truly dislike replies that gaslight. You replied to 3-4 of my comments with the same doom and gloom, it’s a swamp, it’s all hype. I am saying unless you having something new just stop it.
_vqpz 11mo ago
Nobody that actually understands the market right now would say that
- johnnyanmac 11mo ago
  Nobody paid to pretend to actually understand the market would say that. They have a paycheck to get. Meanwhile, actual consumer sentiment is at all time lows for AI.
  - _vqpz 11mo ago
    Source: trust me bro
adventured 11mo ago
The market wants a lot more high quality AI slop and that's going to be the case perpetually for the rest of the time that humanity exists. We are not going back. The only thing that's going to change is the quality of the slop will get better by the year.
- DamnInteresting 11mo ago
  > The market wants a lot more high quality AI slop "High quality AI slop" is a contradiction in terms. The relevant definitions[1] are "food waste (such as garbage) fed to animals", "a product of little or no value." By definition, the best slop is only a little terrible. [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slop https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slop
- johnnyanmac 11mo ago
  >The market wants a lot more high quality AI slop They sure aren't paying for it. It's great how we're on a business topic we're not talking about the fact that the market demand doesn't match the investment put into it.
Aurornis 11mo ago
Pretty sure HN has become completely detached from the market at this point. Demand for AI anything is incredible high right now. AI providers are constantly bouncing off of capacity limits. AI apps in app stores are pulling incredible download numbers.
- johnnyanmac 11mo ago
  If you only focus on money and not the actual societal effects, it's very easy to divorce yourself from society. Thars prerty much what billionaires have been doing for decades now. Data centre's and the stock market are not humans. They are powered by humans who's incentives do not align with the betterment of humanity. Be careful looking down the green abyss.

monkaiju 11mo ago

> If all of "AI stuff" is a "no" for you, then I think you just signed out off working in most industries to some important degree going forward. I'm not sure the penetration of AI, especially to a degree where participants must use it, is all that permanent in many of these industries. Already the industry where it is arguably the most "present" (forced in) is SWE and its proving to be quite disappointing... Where I work the more senior you are the less AI you use

doug_durham 11mo ago
Just the opposite where I work. Seniors are best positioned to effectively use AI and are using it enthusiastically.
- lisbbb 11mo ago
  Because senior devs always have to toe the line of every corporate fad or they are pushed out.
tokioyoyo 11mo ago
Yeah, gotta disagree with this one. Every senior and above around me have figured a workflow that makes their job faster. Internal usage dashboards say the same thing.
- johnnyanmac 11mo ago
  Fighting with anecdotes is as productive as always. Especially over trends. The big issue is Ai isn't profitable. Streaming services is actuslly useful, but well see how that lasts.
satvikpendem 11mo ago
Even if it isn't, the OP can still make hay while the sun is still shining, even if it'll eventually set, as the saying goes. But to not make hay and slowly see it set while losing your income, I won't ever understand that.