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what happen if the market is right and this is "new normal"????? same like StackOverflow down today and seems like not everyone cares anymore, back then it wou
by tonyhart7 11mo ago
what happen if the market is right and this is "new normal"?????
same like StackOverflow down today and seems like not everyone cares anymore, back then it would totally cause breakdown because SO is vital
- indemnity 11mo agoI haven’t visited StackOverflow for years.
- nrhrjrjrjtntbt 11mo agoI stopped using it much even before the AI wave.
- ido 11mo agoIve honestly never intentionally visited it (as in, went to the root page and started following links) - it was just where google sent me when searching answers to specific technical questions.
- jv22222 11mo agoIt became as annoying as experts exchange the very thing it railed against!
- wizzwizz4 11mo agoWhat was annoying about it?
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- forgetfulness 11mo agoThey SEOd their way into being a top search result by showing crawlers both questions and answers, but when you visited the answer would be paywalled Stack Overflow’s moderation is overbearing and all, but that’s nowhere near at the same level as Expert Exchange’s baiting and switching
- rkachowski 11mo agothe gatekeeping, gaming the system, capricious moderation (e.g. flagged as duplicate), and general attitude led it to be quite an insufferable part of the internet. There was a meme about how the best way to get a response is to answer your own question in an obviously incorrect fashion, because people want to tell you why you're wrong rather than actively help.
- nxor 11mo agoWhy do you think those people behave that way?
- wahnfrieden 11mo agoUnpaid labor finds a variety of impulses to satisfy
- 12_throw_away 11mo agoMemories of years ago on Stack Overflow, when it seemed like every single beginner python question was answered by one specific guy. And all his answers were streams of invective directed at the question's author. Whatever labor this guy was doing, he was clearly getting a lot of value in return by getting to yell at hapless beginners.
- wizzwizz4 11mo agoThat doesn't seem like the kind of thing that's ever been allowed on Stack Overflow.
- wahnfrieden 11mo agoSo? It is commonplace there. The comments are even worse.
- rkachowski 11mo agoI don't think it matters. Whether it was a fault of incentives or some intrinsic nature of people given the environment, it was rarely a pleasant experience. And this is one of the reasons it's fallen to LLM usage.
- marcosdumay 11mo agoOften the answer to the question was simply wrong, as it answered a different question that nobody made. A lot of times you had to follow a maze of links to related questions, that may have an answer or may lead to a different one. The languages that it was most useful (due to bad ecosystem documentation) evolved in a rate way faster than SO could update their answers, so most of the answers on those were outdated... There were more problems. And that's from the point of view of somebody coming from Google to find questions that already existed. Interacting there was another entire can of worms.
- DonHopkins 11mo agoThat despite their url's claim, they didn't actually have and sex change experts.
- theamk 11mo agoNope. The main problem with expertsexchange was their SEO + paywall - they'd sneak into top Google hits by showing crawler full data, then present a paywall when actual human visits. (Have no idea why Google tolerated them btw...) SO was never that bad, even with all their moderation policies, they had no paywalls.
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- throwaway2037 11mo agoI don't get these comments. I'm not here to shill for SO, but it is a damn good website, if only for the archive. Can't remember how to iterate over entries in JavaScript dictionary (object)? SO can tell you, usually much better than W3Schools can, which attracts so much scorn. (I love that site: So simple for the simple stuff!) When you search programming-related questions, what sites do you normally read? For me, it is hard to avoid SO because it appears in so many top results from Google. And I swear that Google AI just regugitates most of SO these days for simple questions.
- wonderwonder 11mo agoI think that's OP's point though, Ai can do it better now. No searching, no looking. Just drop your question into Ai with your exact data or function and 10 seconds later you have a working solution. Stackoverflow is great but Ai is just better for most people. Instead of running a google query or searching in Stackoverflow you just need a chatGPT, Claude or your Ai of choice open in a browser. Copy and paste.
- indemnity 11mo agoIt's not a pejorative statement, I used to live in Stack Overflow. But the killer feature of an LLM is that it can synthesize something based on my exact ask, and does a great job of creating a PoC to prove something, and it's cheap from time investment point of view. And it doesn't downvote something as off-topic, or try to use my question as a teaching exercise and tell me I'm doing it wrong, even if I am ;)
- m463 11mo agobuggywhips are having a temporary setback.
- throwaway2037 11mo agoI had a "milk-up-the-nose" laughter moment when I read this comment.
- balamatom 11mo agoleaded gasoline is making a killing, though
- vkou 11mo agoThe coach drivers found other work, their horses got turned into glue.
- lmm 11mo ago> what happen if the market is right and this is "new normal"????? Then there's an oversupply of programmers, salaries will crash, and lots of people will have to switch careers. It's happened before.
- yungwarlock 11mo agoI'm young, please when was that and in what industry
- forgetfreeman 11mo ago.com implosion, tech jobs of all kinds went from "we'll hire anyone who knows how to use a mouse" to the tech jobs section of the classifieds was omitted entirely for 20 months. There have been other bumps in the road since then but that was a real eye-opener.
- tonyhart7 11mo agowell same like covid right??? digital/tech company overhiring because everyone is home and at the same time the rise of AI reduce the number of headcount covid overhiring + AI usage = massive layoff we ever see in decades
- short_sells_poo 11mo agoIt was nothing like covid. The dot com crash lasted years where tech was a dead sector. Equity valuations kept declining year after year. People couldn't find jobs in tech at all. There are still plenty of tech jobs these days, just less than there were during covid, but tech itself is still in a massive expansionary cycle. We'll see how the AI bubble lasts, and what the fallout of it bursting will be. The key point is that the going is still exceptionally good. The posts talking about experienced programmers having to flip burgers in the early 2000s is not an exaggeration.
- nradov 11mo ago
- _zoltan_ 11mo agoyou mixed up "is dead" with "is vital" :-)