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Same-day upstream Linux support for Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5
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- modeless 11mo agoHas Qualcomm seen the light after working with Valve on Steam Frame? The news that Steam Frame would be running an open source Adreno GPU driver really caught me by surprise.
- RobotToaster 11mo agoIt wouldn't surprise me if they're full of binary blobs
- jsheard 11mo agoThey are, but that's hardly unique to Qualcomm. Tons of hardware with "proper" upstream Linux drivers still requires closed-source firmware blobs, and in particular with anything wireless that's probably an unwinnable battle due to regulatory constraints.
- saidinesh5 11mo agoClosed source firmware is one thing that actually runs outside the Linux system... but there's also the user space libraries that are needed to interact with the drivers (eg libgl etc... or the vendor partition in most Android phones)
- surajrmal 11mo agoI don't think anyone expects non specialized os images to run on this hardware. That would require a standardized userspace abstraction layer like the one Android has been building out. The kernel is just a tiny piece of what's necessary because drivers have effectively moved into userspace. Graphics is the only area that has embraced this properly in "desktop Linux"
- tr45872267 11mo ago>That would require a standardized userspace abstraction layer like the one Android has been building out Can you expound on this? And can desktop linux take advantage of it or do something similar?
- ori_b 11mo agoI appreciate the gesture, but... just release the docs!
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- mg 11mo agoDoes that mean that one will be able to purchase tablets with this chip and replace the OS with Linux? That would be great. As far as I know, there currently are no options for lightweight tablets that support Linux. Not sure how well WSL2 on tablets work. Does anybody here have experiences with WSL2 on tablets like the new Microsoft Surface Pro that uses the Snapdragon X Elite chip?
- conradev 11mo agoThe Linux support on the X1E today is lacking. I’m much more optimistic for the X2E. The hardware is great, though, I love the 12” Surface with the X1E. WSL2 works great!
- throwaway173738 11mo agoI really hope this is the case because I’d love to have an arm64 laptop for work. Then binaries in my laptop will work on my embedded systems, generally.
- jsheard 11mo agohttps://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/how-well-does-wsl-work-on-the-new-snapdragon-x-elite-laptops https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/how-well-does-w... Apparently WSL2 does work, it pulls a native ARM64 Linux distro and then proceeds as usual.
- hypercube33 11mo agoI have the 8 gen 3 and wsl and hyperv work fine just can't really use x86 binaries / containers / operating systems.
- jsheard 11mo agoI think the performance of x86 VMs would be pretty poor anyway due to the high overhead of TSO emulation. Windows ARM doesn't have the benefit of hardware assistance like macOS does, and the tricks that Microsoft came up with to mitigate the impact rely on metadata that only MSVC emits, so anything compiled with GCC or LLVM would always hit their emulators slow path.
- miyuru 11mo ago> Hardware-accelerated video playback of H.264 (AVC), H.265 (HEVC) and VP9 video streams > Hardware-accelerated video recording into H.264 (AVC) and H.265 (HEVC) formats no mention of AV1? Surprised since most websites including YT uses it heavily.
- jeroenhd 11mo agoThe Qualcomm marketing spec sheet mentions AV1 decoding: https://www.qualcomm.com/content/dam/qcomm-martech/dm-assets/documents/Snapdragon-8-Elite-Gen-5-product-brief.pdf https://www.qualcomm.com/content/dam/qcomm-martech/dm-assets... Maybe that part of the driver isn't finished yet?
- saagarjha 11mo agoOr licensed.
- jsheard 11mo agoIsn't the whole point of AV1 that it's royalty free, as opposed to H264/265/etc?
- saagarjha 11mo agoFor the codec, sure. But there can always be more restrictions on the IP block, driver code, etc.
- ZeroCool2u 11mo agoYeah, and the main problem with HEVC/H265 is the patent encumbrance. Very odd, but hopefully it's just coming a bit later.
- TiredOfLife 11mo agoIt started like that. But now there are at least 2 different patent pools that want rent.
- kop316 11mo agoAs someone who uses Mobile Linux, I am pretty excited to see this, but I can't help but wonder if this is only a "Business decision" and not necessarily Qualcomm turning over a new leaf for being FOSS friendly: - Their Snapdragon X laptop didn't do very well, and they likely realize an ARM Windows laptop will always be a second class citizen: https://www.techpowerup.com/329255/snapdragon-x-failed-qualcomm-sold-720-000-pcs-in-q3-around-0-8-market-share https://www.techpowerup.com/329255/snapdragon-x-failed-qualc... . - Likewise, Mobile SoCs are completely dependent on Android without proper upstreaming (which they haven't done in the past). - They are seeing Valve spending time and money on FOSS support paying off, especially with their new hardware releases. On the other hand, proper upstreaming of the chips give them much more flexibility for different linux-based OSes.
- alganet 11mo agoA businesss decision would be great. What would suck would be a marketing decision.
- throwaway173738 11mo agoToday’s marketing decisions are tomorrow’s business decisions.
- alganet 11mo agoToday's marketing decisions are tomorrow's deprecations.
- hypercube33 11mo agoSnapdragon does poorly I think because it's a bet if it works or not. Windows runs things seamlessly other than OpenGL (it can run that too but it's not anything strait forward - needs the gl to dx store app thing) but the other reason is cost. for the premium business laptop most buyers (business) won't budge off Intel even because of the "no one got fired for buying IBM" mentality at the big Enterprises Ive been at. I will say with my 8 gen 3 snapdragon I'm impressed and also disappointed - stupid thing needs active cooling and I'm pretty sure it's bad enough that it's desoldered or damaged the core or something from heat but also you can't get driver updates for the GPU if you wanted because Qualcomm be the way it do.
- tensegrist 11mo agothe year of linux on the arm desktop cannot come soon enough also, not to beat a horse that is by now six feet under, but > No delays, no hurry-up-and-wait, no registration. Just go get the new features. i'm so tired
- jjtheblunt 11mo agoi'm using Linux just fine on an ARM desktop for a long time, via Apple Silicon hypervisor enabled via the UTM macos app (which wraps both Qemu, which i don't use, and Apple Silicon hypervisor, which i do use, configurable when instantiating a new image from an iso). i mention this because perhaps you'd like it too. in my case fedora 43 works just fine, and fast.
- jama211 11mo agoOoh, thank you for this, I might try it on my m4 mac. Any tips or anything I should be aware of?
- jjtheblunt 11mo agoi used the UTM app from the App Store, and when creating a new instance, i select the Linux icon, which exposes the selection to enable Apple Silicon hypervisor rather than Qemu. it works perfectly. and it's fast. just great. I had used Asahi before, dual booting, which was a pain in the neck. this meanwhile is perfect.
- jama211 11mo agoOh wow very simple, thank you
- tensegrist 11mo agowhat's the battery life like? do you use macos at all, or do you do ~everything within a full-screened fedora instance?
- arjie 11mo agoWoah, this is amazing. I’ve been looking for an ARM Linux machine for a while and ended up about to get M2 Pros in a rack running Asahi. It has been near impossible to get a Snapdragon Elite machine. The IdeaCentre or whatever is 2x the cost / performance and as far as I know is poorly supported. This changes the game. I’d rather use native Linux than Asahi (though the latter is amazing).
- jabedude 11mo agoDoes this actually translate into any kind of probability of a manufacturer making a device with this chip?
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- 3836293648 11mo agoHow is Asahi not native?
- vlovich123 11mo agoPresumably OP meant a Linux distro using a normal upstream kernel?
- bigyabai 11mo agoThe drivers, while impressively reverse-engineered, are basically alpha-quality by Linux standards. Even well-studied M1 machines will have spotty support in comparison to what an OEM can provide officially.
- noname120 11mo agoThose that are implemented have been very reliable in my experience, I think that labeling them “alpha-quality by Linux standards” is a ridiculous claim
- wmf 11mo agoCan you buy this chip or is it only for Android phones? They have bad support for what you can buy (X Elite) but now they're touting upstreaming the chip you can't buy?
- aseipp 11mo agoOryon v3 is designed for actual PC usage, not phones. But they aren't shipping until H1 next year. This is just a heads-up memo about Linux support, in that regard. Which is nice, I guess?
- E39M5S62 11mo agoEh. The CPU might be supported in Linux, but all of the rest of the hardware to make a laptop is left dangling in the wind. Look at the X1E laptops to see how far "upstream Linux support for a CPU" gets you. They aren't targeting enthusiasts with this announcement.
- floatboth 11mo agoX1E laptops have fully working DisplayPort+USB3+USB2+PD over USB-C unlike Asahi Macbooks :p There really aren't that many gaps in X1E laptop support left.
- summa_tech 11mo agoDoes KVM hypervisor work? Previous Qualcomm CPUs have locked hypervisor mode behind Qualcomm proprietary blobs, and only allowed HyperV to use it - this was definitely the case for WOS laptops.
- walterbell 11mo agoMS Windows had an exclusive period for X1, but Google will support Android and ChromeOS on Qualcomm X2-based devices in 2026, which would require the pKVM/KVM hypervisor used by Android, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45368167 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45368167
- afr0ck 11mo agoI worked at Linaro, who was contracting for Qualcomm. Qualcomm were pushing for some protected hypervisor called Gunyah (which had its own Linux interface and needed a new qemu port) that apparently no one liked. I tried to port it to KVM [1], but upstream folks (mostly Google) outright rejected the port. Otherwise KVM would have been available on QCOM boards. You can still try it. I have a Linux kernel and a Qemu port on my github [2,3] [1] https://lore.kernel.org/kvm/20250424141341.841734-1-karim.manaouil@linaro.org/ https://lore.kernel.org/kvm/20250424141341.841734-1-karim.ma... [2] https://github.com/karim-manaouil/linux-next/tree/gunyah-kvm https://github.com/karim-manaouil/linux-next/tree/gunyah-kvm [3] https://github.com/karim-manaouil/qemu-for-gunyah https://github.com/karim-manaouil/qemu-for-gunyah
- floatboth 11mo agoUpstream would accept a patchset that exposed an independent Gunyah-specific UAPI (why not the same one as downstream — crosvm already supports that) instead of pretending to be KVM (it's not a "port", you can't port a hypervisor to a hypervisor). KVM is available on current compute platforms (laptops) if you escape to EL2 via slbounce; and on Glymur (X2E) it will be available by default (yay!).
- afr0ck 11mo agoThat's not how operating systems work. KVM is both an interface and a hypervisor. Just as we have different hypervisor implementations for amd, intel, arm and others all abstracted behind the same KVM interface, there is no reason the same can't be done for Gunyah. Userspace does not have to know anything about that. KVM already supports svm and vmx for amd and intel on x86. Why is something similar can't be done for Arm? Plus now there is pKVM. I just don't understand this argument of a separate interface. The only reason you want to do that is to decouple from the KVM community, but that introduces a shit tone of duplicated effort and needless fragmentation to the virtualisation software ecosystem hindering your users from enjoying the existing upstream tools they already know about. In other terms, vendor locking and shitty downstream experience.
- sylens 11mo agoI’d like to see the chips powering the new Surface devices in a Framework laptop at some point. Feel like they would be perfect for the Framework 12
- peppersghost93 11mo agoI'm still mad about their lack of support for the 8cx gen 3. It's one of the first laptop SKUs they put out and support still isn't great.
- E39M5S62 11mo agoThe Lenovo x13s works pretty nicely these days, EL2 support aside. What problems have you faced?
- my123 11mo agoSee qebspil for filling the gap for the EL2 side
- neobrain 11mo agoJust in case anyone's tempted to buy one of these now: Support is alright after heroic (and continuing) efforts to improve platform support, but it's flaky. M1/M2 devices offer better performance and the state of Asahi drivers is much better, particularly around audio.
- peppersghost93 11mo agoYeah, that's the model laptop I've got. It's only where it's at because of a small group of community members working on it, it took ages to get where it's at now and I still get random reboots when doing basic things on Linux. It doesn't inspire much hope for future snapdragon laptops.
- E39M5S62 11mo agoInteresting. What kernel and distro are you running? It's been my stable daily driver with Linux 6.15/6.16/6.17 under Void Linux. It happily runs KDE and Vivaldi for me, with a few PWA's (Slack, Zoom) to bridge the gap of no closed-source software targeting aarch64.
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- shmerl 11mo ago> The Adreno user mode driver (UMD) from Qualcomm Technologies is available as a downloadable Debian package and provides Vulkan 1.4 API support as well as the necessary GPU-related firmware. Are they already using Turnip / Mesa as their Vulkan implementation or not yet? If not, they should. Valve are using Turnip on their Steam Frame. That would be another step of working with upstream, besides the kernel driver.
- h14h 11mo agoI hope this is motivated by shrewd decision-making in response to market pressure, as opposed to being strictly a perception thing. While it would be great for Qualcomm to "do the right thing" in supporting FOSS, I feel much more confident in that support being sustained long-term when it aligns with some profit motive. IMO the best case is that Qualcomm sees dollar signs when they imagine their Oryon CPUs and Adreno GPUs dominating the consumer linux landscape. There is definitely room to shake up x86 (especially when it comes to perf/W and idle battery drain), and only a finite window for ARM to do so with RISC-V on the horizon. And to whatever extent Qualcomm et al now view Linux as a relevant personal computing platform, I think a massive amount of credit goes to Valve. I seriously doubt Linux support even enters the conversation at these companies without the Steam Deck's success.
- ninth_ant 11mo ago> When you get new hardware and new features, you don’t want them sitting idle while you wait for patches to get upstreamed. Whether you develop for IoT, automotive, audio or mobile, when you get new features in a system-on-chip (SoC), you want to take advantage of them right now. Sure doesn’t sound like mainstream consumer pc desktop is the target at all. Yes, they do provide instructions for how to run this on desktop but it’s far from accessible for the overwhelming majority of pc users. I mean it’s still a good thing for Linux desktop to have this as an option, I’m not complaining. But to be realistic those benefits feel tangential to what Qualcomm is aiming at here.
- h14h 11mo agoFully agree. When I said "consumer linux landscape" & "personal computing platform" I was thinking much more broadly than desktop PCs. Admittedly a hypothetical Arm-based Steam Deck or Framework Laptop were at the forefront of my mind, but I think any consumer product running linux qualifies, be it "IoT, automotive, audio or mobile". Whether people are buying EVs with a slick linux-based infotainment screens, gaming handhelds running SteamOS, or smart-devices with fancy local AI features, I think the effect is the same. If Qualcomm predicts significant growth in demand for efficient, high perf devices running customized Linux distros, I think it could be great for FOSS at large.
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- cmxch 11mo agoActual bare metal Linux or under a hypervisor? I thought Qualcomm used a hypervisor to isolate the Linux environment that is taken for granted on x86.
- floatboth 11mo agoEL2 is coming by default on Glymur (X2E) (yaaaay), can be enabled in config on some IoT platforms, and can be booted into via Secure Launch on previous compute platforms (Hamoa/Purwa aka X1E/X1P, SC8280XP), search for slbounce. On phone platforms.. probably not? Or Android might want it for pKVM..
- my123 11mo ago_Current_ phone platforms still use Gunyah.
- raggi 11mo agoDocs though?
- nrclark 11mo agoIf anybody in Qualcomm leadership is reading this thread: this is a good start, and I applaud you for it. There is also a lot more to do if you're serious about growing your market penetration beyond phones. The drivers might be up on LKML, but they're not mainlined yet. And this is just gen5. It would be great if you could fix your gen4 and 4.5 drivers, so that people building products with your chips weren't stuck on an orphaned vendor kernel that doesn't even upstream to your public fork. Also your boot-chain is still closed and proprietary, and completely different than the one used by all other ARM vendors. Being the special snowflake is not helping your business or your customers. And don't even get me started on Gunyah and GearVM, or on the proprietary, locked nature of your BSP, or how far behind TI and NXP you are on software quality and ease of use. Maybe also consider releasing some actual documentation on your chips. I know multiple developers who have sworn off Qualcomm and will never design with your chips again at any price point. Your closed-off support model is 100% the culprit, and it hurts your core business. Any software support revenue that you managage to extract comes at the cost of goodwill and future chip sales. Your chips are good - best in the industry. If you can up your software game to match, you'll really meet your potential.
- zozbot234 11mo ago> ... Also your boot-chain is still closed and proprietary, and completely different than the one used by all other ARM vendors. Being the special snowflake is not helping your business or your customers. ... Why does the boot-chain matter? Can't we just have a custom U-Boot implementation that interacts with the bespoke boot chain while providing standard UEFI support to the rest of the system? Isn't that how Asahi works?
- nrclark 11mo agoIt matters when you're doing custom hardware, or when you're designing a product where boot speed matters, or when you need to implement something special. A full-featured U-Boot implementation would be fine IMO. But for the generations that I've used, that's not on the table. What we get is a proprietary flow through a proprietary hypervisor into a fork of Android's bootloader (even if vanilla Linux is the target OS). There's no way to control startup boot options, and no way to use KVM, Xen or any hypervisor except the proprietary one that's also part of the boot chain. This doesn't lend itself to flexible products, or to products that are easy for a company to design or support. That is why things like this happen: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46008156 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46008156
- maufl 11mo agoI don't know much about ARM SoCs, is this something you would built a phone with? With all the talk about Google locking down Android, can Pine64 please go and make a Pinephone with this if that brings us closer to a Linux phone?
- binkHN 11mo agoSorry. I don't trust these guys. Some of my Linux laptops use their wireless hardware and the drivers are so poor that, YEARS later, Wi-Fi still doesn't work right.
- wont_do_that 11mo agoHow does it compare to Apple ARM M series and did they slap on a decent GPU? If not, they still got a long way to go...
- jeroenhd 11mo agoQualcomm actually contributes code whereas Apple's contributions begin and end at "you can boot software not signed by Apple". It's hardly a comparison. The problems seem rather similar, a while after release you need a dedicated build to actually get Linux working mostly right. Doesn't come close to the normal Linux experience. Then again, the X1 Extreme seems to have USB display and thunderbolt support, so they're better than Apple Silicon will probably ever be on Linux.
- zelphirkalt 11mo agoWhile we are at Snapdragon processors ... Does anyone know what (not so technical-)user friendly distro runs without too many issues on a Snapdragon 850? I found Mobian listing Snapdragon 845, but I don't know at all, if that is almost the same or not compatible at all.
- cromka 11mo agoTried postmarketOS yet?
- zelphirkalt 11mo agoI explored their site, but they only list supported devices, not supported CPUs, which leaves me guessing, whether their OS even works on this CPU. And since I don't really know that, it seems to be a lot of effort needed to use their tooling for non-supported devices, to make an installation image. Though I have not tried that yet. It only made me doubt, whether I could succeed that way.
- jeroenhd 11mo agoThere's a list of SoC's here: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Mainlining#Supported_SoCs https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Mainlining#Supported_SoCs Having basic SoC support doesn't mean you can just flash a kernel and expect the device to boot, though. The tooling itself actually does most of the work for you. Things like compiling the kernel and building and flashing the install image pretty much happen automatically once you've copied over a template and edited the necessary sources. You can probably boot pmOS if you copy a template for a device with the same CPU but if there are no similar devices, you're on your own. Even if it does boot, there's a good chance you end up in a "no display, no USB, no wireless, no sound" scenario where the kernel runs but won't be doing anything useful. Just having CPU support isn't enough, you'll probably need the appropriate device tree definitions and possibly kernel drivers which you may be able to lift from the Android kernel if your device came with that. Very few Android SoCs have upstream support that even comes close to what the Apple M1 has, let alone an amd64 CPU. The new Snapdragon Extreme chips are very different in terms of design and in terms of how Qualcomm approaches them, and even their support is lacking in practice.
- apatheticonion 11mo agoHow far away are we from being able to use new snapdragon laptops with Linux? I'm pretty keen to play around with Proton, FEX in a laptop that rivals the MBP
- cromka 11mo agoAs far as I know, at least the modem support is half-baked or still non-functional.
- 0xbadcafebee 11mo agoQualcomm did this in 2024. They pushed some patches to LKML, and issued a press release to brag about it. (https://www.qualcomm.com/developer/blog/2024/05/upstreaming-linux-kernel-support-for-the-snapdragon-x-elite https://www.qualcomm.com/developer/blog/2024/05/upstreaming-...) Yet 2 days ago, Tuxedo Computers announced they were abandoning Qualcomm due to crap support. (https://www.theregister.com/2025/11/26/tuxedo_axes_arm_laptop/ https://www.theregister.com/2025/11/26/tuxedo_axes_arm_lapto...). In particular, the long battery runtimes – usually one of the strong arguments for ARM devices – were not achieved under Linux. A viable approach for BIOS updates under Linux is also missing at this stage, as is fan control. Virtualization with KVM is not foreseeable on our model, nor are the high USB4 transfer rates. Video hardware decoding is technically possible, but most applications lack the necessary support. There is nothing in this press release to suggest they've changed.
- DeathArrow 11mo ago>Yet 2 days ago, Tuxedo Computers announced they were abandoning Qualcomm due to crap support. ( Does Apple offer better support? Qualcomm offers commercial support. I guess Tuuxedo Computers didn't pay for the support?
- TheDong 11mo agoApple is a non-sequitur. Tuuxedo is giving up on Qualcomm in favor of AMD and Intel. Do AMD and Intel require Tuuxedo to pay for premium support in order to get working Linux drivers? No, of course not. Qualcomm's support for Linux is embarrassing when you compare it to pretty much any processor manufacturer except Apple.
- bayindirh 11mo agoApple doesn't actively lock and act hostile towards the reverse engineering folks. They just do their thing and sometimes do small jests to allow these folks to boot anything they want and play with the hardware. ...and while they're standing away from GPL stuff, they do have a dedicated site for Open Source software: https://opensource.apple.com/ https://opensource.apple.com/ Go to releases, and see what they do there.
- Postosuchus 11mo agoSnapdragon X Elite laptops have been out for the last two years, if not more. How much has Qualcomm did over this time to make Linux work on those devices - almost nothing. As of 2 months ago, the best you could do was a special cut of Ubuntu that kinda sorta booted on those machines and required Windows to be present in order to pull some drivers. So how about you give me a fucking break, Qualcomm? Call back when Snapdragon has first class support in major distros and you are serious about Linux.
- tw1984 11mo agoex-qcom engineer here, asking qcom for open source support is like asking financial advices in a casino. let's stop being naive - qcom will not change.
- kopirgan 11mo agoWhat's the use case here? Mobile that can use Linux instead of Android? Is that possible?
- pjmlp 11mo agoSince OpenMoko, the thing is that the market doesn't care. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko
- pjmlp 11mo agoOf course, there would exist something like Qualcomm Linux, https://www.qualcomm.com/developer/software/qualcomm-linux https://www.qualcomm.com/developer/software/qualcomm-linux
- StillBored 11mo agoI was going to write a snarky comment, but in the "if any of Qualcomm leadership is listening" I'm going ask a question: Why is any of this needed when the kernel is full of platforms that are forward compatible with the Linux kernel and boot and generally operate on day one, without a huge pile of changes? What does it benefit the user to have a huge pile of proprietary implementations of devices they frankly don't care about? Ex: just about anything related to power management? Why can't QC adhere to industry standards when they implement standard devices, ex: USB? Why can't these platforms adhere to industry standard firmware interfaces rather than custom mailbox interfaces?