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Anthony Bourdain's Lost Li.st's
I read through the years about Bourdain's content on the defunct li.st service, but was never able to find an archive of it. A more thorough perusing of archive.org and a pointer from an Internet stranger led me to create this site. Cheers
- yawpitch 11mo agoHands down the funniest thing I ever saw, live and in person, was Anthony Bourdain staring with naked, enraptured joy at the woman doing the American Sign Language translation of what he’d just said, then stopping just after she did to let us all know that “I just had to know what it looks like to sign ‘felching Mrs. Butterworth.’” Thank you, Tony, wherever you are… if for nothing else, then for the Pho Chay I the Lunch Lady made just for my newly vegetarian self in Saigon.
- dataviz1000 11mo agoI went to the 'Obama restaurant' in Hanoi for bun cha (not vegetarian) more so because Anthony Bourdain. Like a good American I smoked a Cuban cigar afterwards in a cigar bar under an image of Che Guevara I passed on the way back to the hotel which was out of the way likely guided by Tony's spirit if such things exist. Nonetheless, the Bun Cha up in the mountains of Sa Pa is better as are Dominican cigars.
- linhns 11mo agoI’m a local from Hanoi, always surprised with Bourdain picking that place to eat with pres Obama (I still believe because of presidential food safety standards). I’d not pick that place any day of the week. Having lived in Singapore as well, RIP Anthony, but your picks aren’t that great.
- dataviz1000 11mo agoThey picked it because it was a spur of the moment decision -- not planned. Their concern according to Boudain was not having the president in line of sight from the outside of the building.
- lippihom 11mo agoWhere would you go instead? Have a few favorite spots for Hanoi/Singapore?
- SoleilAbsolu 11mo agoIt's honestly hard to think of a better title for the definitive Anthony Bourdain biography then "Felching Mrs. Butterworth"!
- deeptishukla22 11mo agoBourdain had a way of writing that made even throwaway lines feel meaningful, but so much of that era of content is basically disappearing. It’s nice to see someone do the unglamorous work of gathering the fragments before they fade completely.
- OhioMan2943 11mo agoIt's funny because his, and Chuck Palahniuk's (fight club, etc) way of seeing the world- that brand of anti corporate- pro human- enjoy the waste- cynicism seemed so permanent and authentic- and like nothing could take it away from you- it felt like a staple of the human experience that was a place you could go to in your mind. It's amazing to see how quickly that all got shovelled away and replaced with productised, streamlined, sterile groupthink- and one in which authentic sexuality and sex jokes are shunned. I think in some part he knew which way this world was heading and made a decision based off of that. As a young person who stakes a lot of my headspace in the former, it's definitely an interesting, ridiculously two faced and contradictory cultural moment we're in right now.
- ozgrakkurt 11mo agoHave to love the content about how some sociopathic crazy guy is so “successful”.
- jasonwatkinspdx 11mo agoIf you're lumping together Bourdain and Palahniuk I think you've completely failed to understand Bourdain. And then diagnosing his suicide as a result of your apparent culture war grievances over sex jokes is just revolting behavior.
- OhioMan2943 11mo agoIf you've read Bourdain's books and gone beyond just skimming his TV shows you'll know they share deeply similar writing and irreverent humour- talking about every type of escape and prank- from summers tripping on acid rooting everyone he could find to working for the mafia as a chef to pay off his heroin addiction. And it's reductive to think that just because someone is talking about sex jokes they're interested in 'culture wars'. Is it revolting for him to have essentially predicted his own death in the same way? I miss him a lot, his passing affected me far more than that of most public figures, but I won't sanitise my memory of him or pretend his humour, or his way of seeing the world was cookie cutter. That, to me, is far more revolting.
- rgovostes 11mo agoAwesome. I refer to https://bourdain.greg.technology/#food-im-thinking-about https://bourdain.greg.technology/#food-im-thinking-about about once a year. One of my favorite vacations was going to a different hawker stall on his list each night in Singapore. Unsurprisingly, his picks are all pretty good, and #1 is justified in crowning the list.
- OhioMan2943 11mo agoAlso for general bourdain tourism- eat like bourdain is a really passionate and fleshed out blog that tells you where and what he ate in each city/country. I use it pretty frequently. https://eatlikebourdain.com/ https://eatlikebourdain.com/
- phist_mcgee 11mo agoI've never ordered it, it always looks so incredibly bland, am I missing something here?
- dewey 11mo agoIf you would order it once, you could stop wondering if you are missing something.
- zrail 11mo agoChicken and rice is anything but bland. I haven't had Hainanese style but the Thai style khao man gai that Nong's serves in Portland is a flavor that I still remember more than a decade later.
- ianstormtaylor 11mo agoNong's is insanely good. You can actually buy her sauce online now, in case you ever want to have a go at making it at home — https://khaomangai.com/products/nongs-khao-man-gai-sauce https://khaomangai.com/products/nongs-khao-man-gai-sauce
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- M1kelawrence 11mo agoThanks
- Rakshith 11mo ago[dead]
- villaaston1 11mo agoMaybe someone here knows the creators of li.st and we can get the missing lists back online?
- barrenko 11mo agoGentle reminder that the /kitchenconfidential reddit is a fun place to occasionally visit.
- specproc 11mo agoAs someone who's worked in plenty of kitchens, I can thoroughly recommend the book. Totally nails kitchen culture. There's this one chapter where he just rolls through a day at work, it's so good. A phenomenal writer, much missed.
- yakkomajuri 11mo agoDidn't know he was such a fan of rap, interesting point about brioche buns. Also: "Karaoke should only be performed with people who have already seen your genitals." :D
- astura 11mo agoI absolutely love brioche buns but I only eat veggie burgers, and they make a lot more sense for veggie burgers.
- kawie 11mo agothank you!!!
- gausswho 11mo agoIn the SCARY SHIT!!! Things I find genuinely terrifying section: > Switzerland: I think I must have experienced some awful childhood trauma in view of a mural of snow capped peaks and Lake Geneva. I live with a persistent dread of alpine vistas, chalet architecture, Tyrolean hats, even cheese with holes in it. You will notice I have never been there. That’s because Switzerland frightens me. Huh. He was just over the border from there when he was finished.
- pimlottc 11mo agoIt looks like the original URL for Anthony's profile on li.st was https://li.st/Bourdain/ https://li.st/Bourdain/ https://web.archive.org/web/20181204232645/https://li.st/Bourdain/ https://web.archive.org/web/20181204232645/https://li.st/Bou...
- fredoliveira 11mo agoOne of the few people that has a voice (written and otherwise) so distinctive that even reading those lists, I read them in his voice. I miss that guy.
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- popalchemist 11mo agoWhat is your implication? Out with it.
- pimlottc 11mo agoThere used to be a mirror of the Wayback Machine [0][1] hosted at the new Library of Alexandria in Egypt [2]. Sometimes you could pull pages from them that otherwise errored out on the main archive.org site. Sadly, it seems the mirror has been offline [3] for some years now. 0: https://www.bibalex.org/en/News/Details?DocumentID=1550&Keywords= https://www.bibalex.org/en/News/Details?DocumentID=1550&Keyw... 1: https://www.bibalex.org/isis/frontend/projects/ProjectDetails.aspx?th=a7Pg5AcpjauIQ1/Xoqw2GA==&id=yQKofQ4XMNRUztnjpDtrGw== https://www.bibalex.org/isis/frontend/projects/ProjectDetail... 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibliotheca_Alexandrina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibliotheca_Alexandrina 3: http://web.archive.bibalex.org http://web.archive.bibalex.org
- W-Stool 11mo agoWas there ever a cooler guy who could actually write? I don't think so. Anyone who rates "Dr. Strangelove" as a great movie is OK by me.
- bink 11mo agoFor those who haven't read it yet, the book "In the Weeds" does a pretty good job of showing the hidden side of Bourdain (if there was such a thing). He was as imperfect as you might imagine. I personally enjoyed learning how cruel he could be as I always had a tremendous amount of respect for him and it made him more human to me. They even cover an incident where the crew played a practical joke on him with a clown (his fear is mentioned in a li.st).
- randycupertino 11mo agoDown and Out in Paradise by Charles Leersen about Bourdain was also very interesting, highlighted how predatory his ex Asia Argento was with him (financial abuse- he constantly wired her money and paid her 400k sexual assault settlement for her statutory raping a 17-year old, cheating on him with multiple people including Hugo Clement, constant drama, supplying him with drugs, emotional neglect when he was struggling with depression). https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59366129-down-and-out-in-paradise https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59366129-down-and-out-in... His final text to her was "you were reckless with my heart." https://people.com/food/anthony-bourdain-asia-argento-last-texts-down-and-out-in-paradise-excerpt/ https://people.com/food/anthony-bourdain-asia-argento-last-t...
- jonah 11mo agoSo very very sad. Take care of your loved ones (but also take care of yourself)!
- EnPissant 11mo agoHe dumped his wife and abandoned his child to be with this woman 18 years younger than him, and he used drugs his entire adult life, long before he met her. No, I would not describe her as a predator.
- bink 11mo agoWhat's the source on the claim that he used drugs his entire adult life? I thought he had been sober from heroin for decades and only drank alcohol. Additionally, I'm not sure doing drugs alone qualifies one as a bad person.
- thadk 11mo agoIt seems like li.st was founded by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._J._Novak#The_List_App https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._J._Novak#The_List_App — unlikely to show on HN but maybe someone knows him.
- gregsadetsky 11mo agoI got to cross something off my bucket list - I just LinkedIn message'd B. J. Novak about this.....! Thanks for digging! If anyone can find a contact for Devin Flaherty, let me know! Cheers
- walletdrainer 11mo agodevflaherty at the google email service, linked to a now-deleted LinkedIn account
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- lurk2 11mo ago> The app allowed users to make lists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRNEUc5k7Jw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRNEUc5k7Jw
- adamm255 11mo agoWUPHF
- DocTomoe 11mo agoAs someone who was mildly familiar with Bourdain ("some sort of American TV cook", some badly-dubbed shows in our private TV channels which didn't really catch on, because 'cooking show') until he decided to end it ... ... it is fascinating to me that one person, especially in a very niche profession, has had that kind of cultural impact that his random writing is being discussed seven years after his death.
- comrh 11mo agoHe was really more of a writer then a celebrity TV chef. His travel shows caught on because of his eloquence and PoV.
- chubot 11mo agoA chef is not a niche profession - everyone knows what a chef does, and has consumed what they make A niche profession is, say, artistic cycling People talk about Bourdain 7 years later for the same reason that they talk about musicians, actors, and painters 7 or 70 years later
- jyounker 11mo agoHe is famous for his writing, and not for being a chef. His 2000 book, "Kitchen Confidential," was a New York Times best seller, and it's what put him on the map. It's still one of my favorite books, and I cannot recommend it highly enough. The chapter on his bread baker, "Adam Real Last Name Unknown," is one of the funniest things I've ever had the pleasure to read.
- diggyhole 11mo agoKitchen Confidential is an excellent read. Any reader will come away having healthy respect and fear of the restaurant industry.
- cultofmetatron 11mo agohis show was what inspired me to leave san Francisco and travel the world fulltime. rest in peace king.
- rishabhaiover 11mo agoIf there's anyone who can sell you to travel, it's Bourdain. Travel deep, travel in mundane streets without the thirst to capture each moment.
- jimmydddd 11mo agogreg.technology is a great person for putting time and effort into this. Faith in humanity restored!
- sexy_seedbox 11mo agoHis Hong Kong restaurant choices are all expensive tourist traps.
- ltbarcly3 11mo agoI never heard of Anthony Bourdain until years after he died. I guess I wasn't the right age, I was having a family and at work all day whenever his shows took off. He seems like a genuinely interesting person, but there are so many other interesting thoughtful people that don't have relatable cooking shows and I think Anthony Bourdain, as great as he is, gets quite a bit more attention than he probably warrants. Don't take that the wrong way, he's genuinely thoughtful and interesting, but he gets a LOT of attention OVER AND OVER. I'll throw out Tim Kreider (author of We Learn Nothing, among other books) as someone else you might find worthwhile to checkout.
- IAmGraydon 11mo agoI was lucky enough to meet him in 2013. A truly good guy and a massive loss. No Reservations and Parts Unknown are still some of my favorite shows to binge.
- hermitcrab 11mo ago"Karaoke should only be performed with people who have already seen your genitals."
- mihaitodor 11mo agoNice to see Motorhead in there! I did not expect that
- diggyhole 11mo agoI highly recommend reading kitchen confidential. It is a great book.
- mirandrom 11mo agoI went down a rabbit hole and found most of the missing lists on Common Crawl: https://mirandrom.github.io/bourdain-lists/ https://mirandrom.github.io/bourdain-lists/ Unfortunately, AFAICT, the embedded image data were not included in the Common Crawl scrapes, and a few of the image URLs I tried don't seem indexed by Common Crawl. I only just started playing around with these tools so I might've missed something.
- ccgreg 11mo agoCommon Crawl is a text-only crawl.
- mirandrom 11mo agoI'm not so sure, they say "The crawled content is dominated by HTML pages and contains only a small percentage of other document formats." https://commoncrawl.github.io/cc-crawl-statistics/plots/mimetypes https://commoncrawl.github.io/cc-crawl-statistics/plots/mime... In any case, all the images were external cloudfrount URLs that have not been archived anywhere afaict.