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If you're talking about all of AI with your statement I think you may need to reconcile that opinion with the fact that chat GPT alone has almost 1 billion dail

If you're talking about all of AI with your statement I think you may need to reconcile that opinion with the fact that chat GPT alone has almost 1 billion daily users. Clearly lots of people derive enormous value from AI. If there's something more specific and different you were referring to I'd love to hear what it is.

eCa 11mo ago
I’m probably an outlier: I use chatgpt/gemini for specific purposes, but ai summaries on eg google search or youtube gives me negative value (I never read them and they take up space).
- rockemsockem 11mo ago
  I agree about the summaries! I think AI is applied in a lot of bad ways ATM although TBH I've heard some people like the summaries
  - duskdozer 11mo ago
    I can't say I find them 100% useless - though I'd rather they not pop up by default - and I understand why people like them so much. They let people type in a question and get a confident and definitive answer all in natural language, which is what it seems like the average person has tried to do all along with search engines. The issue is that they think whatever it spits out is 100% true and factual, which is scary.
kergonath 11mo ago
> Clearly lots of people derive enormous value from AI. I don’t really see this. Lots of people like freebies, but the value aspect is less clear. AFAIK, none of these chatbots are profitable. You would not see nearly as many users if they had to actually pay for the thing.
- jcgrillo 11mo ago
  In the article Pichai is quoted saying: > "It doesn't matter whether you want to be a teacher [or] a doctor. All those professions will be around, but the people who will do well in each of those professions are people who learn how to use these tools." Bullshit. Citation very much needed. It's a shame--a shameful stain on the profession--that journalists don't respond critically to such absurd nonsense and ask the obvious question: are you fucking lying?. It is absolutely not true that AI tools make doctors more effective, or teachers, or programmers. It would be very convenient to people like Pichai and Scam Altman, but that don't make it so.
  - porridgeraisin 11mo ago
    From what I hear, many doctors pass X-ray and MRI scans to Chatgpt for a ...second opinion :-)
  - saxenaabhi 11mo ago
    There are hundreds of thousands of developers here including me who would vouch that AI does make them vastly more productive.
    - skydhash 11mo ago
      Productive how? If you’re not measuring the thing, how can you tell that the thing improved?
      - saxenaabhi 11mo ago
        Feature velocity has increase manifold. And this is despite decreased team size. A small startup now has the chance to compete with incumbents without raising from VCs. Not talking about you, but I think cynics just look at it with too much pessimism and therefore can't see it.
        jcgrillo 11mo ago
        It's not really about optimism or pessimism, it's effect vs no effect. Self reported anecdotes like yours abound, but as far as I'm aware the effect isn't real. That is, it's not in fact true that if a business buys AI tools for its developers their output will increase in some way that impacts the business meaningfully. So while you may feel more productive using AI tooling, in fact you probably aren't, actually.

eCa 11mo ago

I’m probably an outlier: I use chatgpt/gemini for specific purposes, but ai summaries on eg google search or youtube gives me negative value (I never read them and they take up space).

rockemsockem 11mo ago
I agree about the summaries! I think AI is applied in a lot of bad ways ATM although TBH I've heard some people like the summaries
- duskdozer 11mo ago
  I can't say I find them 100% useless - though I'd rather they not pop up by default - and I understand why people like them so much. They let people type in a question and get a confident and definitive answer all in natural language, which is what it seems like the average person has tried to do all along with search engines. The issue is that they think whatever it spits out is 100% true and factual, which is scary.

kergonath 11mo ago

> Clearly lots of people derive enormous value from AI. I don’t really see this. Lots of people like freebies, but the value aspect is less clear. AFAIK, none of these chatbots are profitable. You would not see nearly as many users if they had to actually pay for the thing.

jcgrillo 11mo ago
In the article Pichai is quoted saying: > "It doesn't matter whether you want to be a teacher [or] a doctor. All those professions will be around, but the people who will do well in each of those professions are people who learn how to use these tools." Bullshit. Citation very much needed. It's a shame--a shameful stain on the profession--that journalists don't respond critically to such absurd nonsense and ask the obvious question: are you fucking lying?. It is absolutely not true that AI tools make doctors more effective, or teachers, or programmers. It would be very convenient to people like Pichai and Scam Altman, but that don't make it so.
- porridgeraisin 11mo ago
  From what I hear, many doctors pass X-ray and MRI scans to Chatgpt for a ...second opinion :-)
- saxenaabhi 11mo ago
  There are hundreds of thousands of developers here including me who would vouch that AI does make them vastly more productive.
  - skydhash 11mo ago
    Productive how? If you’re not measuring the thing, how can you tell that the thing improved?
    - saxenaabhi 11mo ago
      Feature velocity has increase manifold. And this is despite decreased team size. A small startup now has the chance to compete with incumbents without raising from VCs. Not talking about you, but I think cynics just look at it with too much pessimism and therefore can't see it.
      - jcgrillo 11mo ago
        It's not really about optimism or pessimism, it's effect vs no effect. Self reported anecdotes like yours abound, but as far as I'm aware the effect isn't real. That is, it's not in fact true that if a business buys AI tools for its developers their output will increase in some way that impacts the business meaningfully. So while you may feel more productive using AI tooling, in fact you probably aren't, actually.