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Thank you for saying what this entire blog post doesn't. It's actually disrespectful of Google to launch this without even a mention of the fact that it is base
by modeless 11mo ago
Thank you for saying what this entire blog post doesn't. It's actually disrespectful of Google to launch this without even a mention of the fact that it is based on VSCode.
- shrikant 11mo agoIt's so obvious from even just the vague screenshots that are hidden somewhere on the site that it's a VSCode fork, that I suppose I can see why they've tried to obfuscate that as much as possible.
- echelon 11mo agoGoogle is going to win AI and kill all the other market participants. They have the revenues to support all of this. They spent time learning from all the players and can now fast follow into every market. Now they're fast and nimble and are willing to clone other products wholesale, fork VSCode, etc. They're developing all of this, meanwhile Pichai is calling it a "bubble" to put a chill on funding (read: competition). It's not like Google is slowing down. We had a chance to break them up with regulation, and we didn't. Now they're going to kill every market participant. This isn't healthy. We have an invasive species in the ecology eating up all the diverse, healthy species. a16z and YC must hate this. It puts a cap on their returns. As engineers, you should certainly hate this. Google does everything it can to push wages down. Layoffs, offshoring, colluding with competitors. Fewer startups mean fewer rewards for innovation capital and more accrual to the conglomerate taxing the entire internet. Chrome, Android, Search, Ads, YouTube, Cloud, Workspace, Other Bets, and AI/Deepmind need to be split into separate companies. Call or email your legislators and ask for antitrust enforcement: https://pluralpolicy.com/find-your-legislator/ https://pluralpolicy.com/find-your-legislator/ Demand a Google breakup.
- tayo42 11mo ago>They spent time learning from all the players and can now fast follow into every market. Google has never successfully done that? Maybe once?
- poemxo 11mo agoFor the wage suppression thing, Google pays their engineers better than say Amazon or Microsoft.
- soperj 11mo agoHe was talking about when Apple(under Steve Jobs) colluded with everyone (including Google), but doesn't seem to want to name Apple specifically.
- ryandvm 11mo agoHas Google *ever* successfully entered and taken over an existing market?
- QuercusMax 11mo agoSearch, back in the late '90s
- darkmarmot 11mo agoBesides search, Android kinda killed Nokia and friends for the consumer phone market.
- wiseowise 11mo agoiPhone did it, not Android.
- dotancohen 11mo agoWith Nokia specifically, I would say that Windows Phone killed it.
- Wowfunhappy 11mo agoI truly believe Nokia committed suicide. Meego-Harmattan was really good and early enough that iOS and Android weren’t completely entrenched yet. Or perhaps it would be most correct to say Microsoft assassinated Nokia by sending in Stephen Elop as a double agent?
- dotancohen 11mo ago> most correct to say Microsoft assassinated Nokia by sending in Stephen Elop That is exactly how I see it. It also makes perfect sense for all parties involved.
- abirch 11mo agoTo be fair, Microsoft killed Nokia.
- Fairburn 11mo agoYou ok?
- p3rls 11mo ago[dead]
- astrange 11mo agoGoogle? Push wages down? Google is mostly known for paying top of market to keep a zoo of engineers whose only output is blog posts about how smart they are because they solved a problem they also caused. (presumably because if they touch the ad system it might break) > a16z and YC must hate this. It puts a cap on their returns. And a16z's main business is investing in financial scams.
- dweekly 11mo agoThere's some irony in that, given how many other companies have "created browsers" that are just Chromium forks and rubbed Google the wrong way. The intro checklist for Antigravity includes watching VS Code tutorials!
- abirch 11mo agoVS Code is based on Chromium: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/HEAD/docs/vscode.md https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/HEAD/docs/v... We've come full circle.
- breppp 11mo agoChromium is based on Webkit which in turn is based on KHTML, so maybe KDE needs to develop a cursor clone?
- kaufmann 11mo agoKursor.
- infthi 11mo agoKursor Klone
- dsmurrell 11mo agoGet back to reddit! :)
- askvictor 11mo agoOr, for the non-AI version, Kode
- gmueckl 11mo agoWell, Kate has been around as an KDE based advanced text editor for nearly 2 decades now - its base feature set isn't too different from a base VS Code installation. And there's also KDevelop as a more full featured IDE.
- joedevon 11mo agoIt's Windsurf
- anticensor 11mo agoand also isn't
- Maxious 11mo agoExcept where they left Windsurf strings in it https://x.com/aidenybai/status/1990910907745218889 https://x.com/aidenybai/status/1990910907745218889 https://x.com/ibrahimuzn/status/1990887635661791364/photo/1 https://x.com/ibrahimuzn/status/1990887635661791364/photo/1
- noxa 11mo ago+1 - it also doesn't support remote ssh (the open vsx variant), so is probably only focused at local web design development vibe coding ;( Should have just been an extension with a paid plan.
- therein 11mo agoIt also feels like they couldn't use the GOOGLE ANTIGRAVITY logo enough times in this blog post. Gigantic image with the logo and a subtitle, plastered over and over again.
- LogicFailsMe 11mo agoI no longer bother reading their press releases. I'd much rather read the comments and threads like these to get the real story. And I say that as a former googler.
- Towaway69 11mo agoI guess non-former googlers aren’t allowed to say that - contractually.
- tormeh 11mo agoSomeone important's career is attached to this project and its logo. And they're making sure it's as visible as possible.
- dabockster 11mo ago> so is probably only focused at local web design development vibe coding Quick, someone throw the Linux kernel source at it and report back! xD
- zeven7 11mo agoI’m using remote ssh with it via the same plugin and settings I use in VS Code.
- catigula 11mo agohttps://www.microsoft.com/en-us/edge https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/edge Nothing in there about chromium.
- uatec 11mo agoThe welcome video says "We started with the core IDE then..." and shows a picture of VS Code. They knew exactly what they were saying.
- DuperPower 11mo agoAI companies blogs are not for devs, they write for tech journalists to hype
- kccqzy 11mo agoWhy credit? Come on, the world has moved on from 1990s-era 4-clause BSD licenses. If you recall, the 4-clause BSD license states that all advertising materials must display an acknowledgement. It’s widely considered to be a mistake and nobody uses this license any more. Not because of legal reasons (incompatibility with GPL) but because it is madness to require so many acknowledgements. Stallman was right.
- pbhjpbhj 11mo ago>it is madness to require so many acknowledgements Really? Madness? "We started with VS Code to develop our IDE...". Oh, so onerous. A thank you to the principle developers is a minimum if you're using someone else's work commercially and aren't an asshole. No it's not a legal requirement, it's just about being a good part of society.
- kccqzy 11mo agoYes, madness. VS Code wasn’t developed entirely by Microsoft. It uses plenty of other open source libraries. Why is it that VS Code should be acknowledged but not the underlying V8 engine, or Chromium, or WebKit or KHTML? Stallman said that in 1997 there were 75 acknowledgements in a single piece of software. With today’s trend of micro libraries on npm, there will be at least thousands of acknowledgements in one piece of software.
- chipsrafferty 11mo agoSo what?
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- kccqzy 11mo agoIf you can’t understand the implications of this and need to ask “so what” just go read what Stallman and FSF say on this.
- Maxatar 11mo agoAnd VSCode is based on Chromium (a fact you won't find on VS Code's website other than related to updates).
- sedatk 11mo agoVSCode isn't a Chromium fork, it's an Electron app. Utilizing something is different than making a derivative of it. For example, an empty "Hello World" Electron app wouldn't have any value for an app developer, but creating a web browser derived from Chromium means you've already finished 99.9% of the work.
- verst 11mo agoIt uses Electron which itself uses the Chromium rendering engine.
- bangaladore 11mo agoThat's like saying news.ycombinator.com is based on Chromium. VSCode runs on chromium, like any website you visit when using a Chromium browser.
- bangaladore 11mo agoTo the downvoter: VSCode -> Electron (essentially purpose specific web browser) -> Chromium news.ycombinator.com -> General Purpose Web Browser -> Chromium
- Kwpolska 11mo agoEver heard of Firefox or Safari? I can open HN in any browser I want, but I can't change the browser used by the VSCode desktop app.
- bangaladore 11mo agoThat's due to Electron, not Chromium. Which is exactly why VSCode has a near parity version that runs on the web, under any browser engine. Saying VSCode is based on Chromium doesn't make any sense.
- chipsrafferty 11mo agoHonestly they don't even need to say so. The image literally looks like a vs code screenshot.
- chamomeal 11mo agoYeah I also thought that was weird. Ctrl-f’d for vscode and was pretty confused that they didn’t even mention it.