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If anyone else is having trouble loading the CSS for the page, go to https://www.blender.org/wp-content/themes/bthree/style.css?x78892 https://www.blender.org/w

If anyone else is having trouble loading the CSS for the page, go to https://www.blender.org/wp-content/themes/bthree/style.css?x78892 https://www.blender.org/wp-content/themes/bthree/style.css?x... to be Captcha'd by Cloudflare - it should load fine after that.

blensor 11mo ago
+1 on that. Works for me after that
Joeboy 11mo ago
Yeah the page is currently loading very quickly and is very easy to read due to an issue with Cloudflare. Edit: If I'm honest, I find this specific css fairly innocuous. I have a more general grudge that raw HTML is easy, free and accessible but we collectively insisted that it's not OK to use it.
- latexr 11mo ago
  I tested repeatedly, always clearing the cache, and there was essentially no speed difference in loading with or without the CSS. In one instance, loading with CSS was even faster.
- sim04ful 11mo ago
  It's actually funny, the lack of styling actually makes consuming the info alot easier.
  - badosu 11mo ago
    Funny if not tragic. I was impressed at how good the styling of the page was until I realized the css did not load.
  - yuters 11mo ago
    It is way more readable with CSS, I don't know what you're all on about. The font is bigger, the lines are shorter, the navigation doesn't take half the page. The only thing worse would be the contrast but it's not that bad.
    - a2128 11mo ago
      On mobile it's actually super readable and lines are a perfect length, and having to scroll past the top navigation doesn't affect readability much
      - saretup 11mo ago
        The top navigation definitely put me off, I immediately came back without even scrolling down.
  - hbosch 11mo ago
    The page is objectively and substantially better in every aspect of legibility with CSS loaded.
    - catapart 11mo ago
      Hey, take it easy! It's not nice to pick on those poor developers who can only read text that has been piped into their preferred TUI.
    - NewsaHackO 11mo ago
      Yea, "Minimalism is better!" is like a reflex for some people
      - raxxorraxor 11mo ago
        It often is. Turns out this page does fit the bill, CSS or not.
    - spiderice 11mo ago
      > objectively I do not think that word means what you think it means
      - rendaw 11mo ago
        All art is a combination of objective and subjective aspects. The objective improvements from css here include: shorter lines are easier to read (per multiple legibility studies), the styling distinguishes navigation and secondary site elements from the main content (without css you get a half screen of navigation links), and the visual importance of in-page anchor links is reduced.
      - hbosch 11mo ago
        I used it to mean that it's inarguably true and unrelated to opinion.
  - amelius 11mo ago
    Except I like to have some margin. And since I have a wide screen, the number of words per line is too large.
    - prmoustache 11mo ago
      That is a weird take. Having a wide screen doesn't force you to maximize the window.
      - cassepipe 11mo ago
        I don't know about most people but to me seeing bits of my desktop on the sides of the window I care about feels like visual noise. I like to have all my apps maximized but maybe is that just me ?
        imp0cat 11mo ago
        Hate seeing bits of your desktop showing? Try a tiling window manager, you might like it!
        prmoustache 11mo ago
        How having bit of your desktop showing on the sides any different than whatever background image or color a particular website decides to show on each side of the text? I prefer having a quiet single color background and being able to dictate how wide is the text I am reading than being limited by the website owner's choice. But that is also maybe just me.
matthewaveryusa 11mo ago
So what's the issue here (I know what the issue is in terms of the subresource not loading, a bit like an oauth redirect not executing properly if a user needs to log back in.) Is it because of a misconfiguration on blender's end that should allow css to passthrough without verification, the query param messing a cloudflare passthrough default, or something else?
- Scaevolus 11mo ago
  They might be allowing global public caching of their /news/ blog posts (because WordPress is slow?), but not of the static /wp-content/ directory.
lastdong 11mo ago
Fixed it for me, much better than having the top navigation element unstyled as a list. In any case, the CSS is pretty much innocuous, feels almost like reader mode (which is my go to). Thanks!
ModernMech 11mo ago
Thanks it worked but... lol the style doesn't even add anything, it just makes it harder to read by lowering the contrast of the page.
Archelaos 11mo ago
Another option is to use Firefox and press [F9].
- nashashmi 11mo ago
  MS Edge does the same thing.
nashashmi 11mo ago
Normally I like CSS naked websites. But some of them have multiple SVG icons right at the top that take up the entire width of the page. And that hurts. Devs: please practice observing your site without css
ncr100 11mo ago
As https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45918066 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45918066 says, go to https://www.blender.org/lab/ https://www.blender.org/lab/ instead.

blensor 11mo ago

+1 on that. Works for me after that

Joeboy 11mo ago

Yeah the page is currently loading very quickly and is very easy to read due to an issue with Cloudflare. Edit: If I'm honest, I find this specific css fairly innocuous. I have a more general grudge that raw HTML is easy, free and accessible but we collectively insisted that it's not OK to use it.

latexr 11mo ago
I tested repeatedly, always clearing the cache, and there was essentially no speed difference in loading with or without the CSS. In one instance, loading with CSS was even faster.
sim04ful 11mo ago
It's actually funny, the lack of styling actually makes consuming the info alot easier.
- badosu 11mo ago
  Funny if not tragic. I was impressed at how good the styling of the page was until I realized the css did not load.
- yuters 11mo ago
  It is way more readable with CSS, I don't know what you're all on about. The font is bigger, the lines are shorter, the navigation doesn't take half the page. The only thing worse would be the contrast but it's not that bad.
  - a2128 11mo ago
    On mobile it's actually super readable and lines are a perfect length, and having to scroll past the top navigation doesn't affect readability much
    - saretup 11mo ago
      The top navigation definitely put me off, I immediately came back without even scrolling down.
- hbosch 11mo ago
  The page is objectively and substantially better in every aspect of legibility with CSS loaded.
  - catapart 11mo ago
    Hey, take it easy! It's not nice to pick on those poor developers who can only read text that has been piped into their preferred TUI.
  - NewsaHackO 11mo ago
    Yea, "Minimalism is better!" is like a reflex for some people
    - raxxorraxor 11mo ago
      It often is. Turns out this page does fit the bill, CSS or not.
  - spiderice 11mo ago
    > objectively I do not think that word means what you think it means
    - rendaw 11mo ago
      All art is a combination of objective and subjective aspects. The objective improvements from css here include: shorter lines are easier to read (per multiple legibility studies), the styling distinguishes navigation and secondary site elements from the main content (without css you get a half screen of navigation links), and the visual importance of in-page anchor links is reduced.
    - hbosch 11mo ago
      I used it to mean that it's inarguably true and unrelated to opinion.
- amelius 11mo ago
  Except I like to have some margin. And since I have a wide screen, the number of words per line is too large.
  - prmoustache 11mo ago
    That is a weird take. Having a wide screen doesn't force you to maximize the window.
    - cassepipe 11mo ago
      I don't know about most people but to me seeing bits of my desktop on the sides of the window I care about feels like visual noise. I like to have all my apps maximized but maybe is that just me ?
      - imp0cat 11mo ago
        Hate seeing bits of your desktop showing? Try a tiling window manager, you might like it!
      - prmoustache 11mo ago
        How having bit of your desktop showing on the sides any different than whatever background image or color a particular website decides to show on each side of the text? I prefer having a quiet single color background and being able to dictate how wide is the text I am reading than being limited by the website owner's choice. But that is also maybe just me.

matthewaveryusa 11mo ago

So what's the issue here (I know what the issue is in terms of the subresource not loading, a bit like an oauth redirect not executing properly if a user needs to log back in.) Is it because of a misconfiguration on blender's end that should allow css to passthrough without verification, the query param messing a cloudflare passthrough default, or something else?

Scaevolus 11mo ago
They might be allowing global public caching of their /news/ blog posts (because WordPress is slow?), but not of the static /wp-content/ directory.

lastdong 11mo ago

Fixed it for me, much better than having the top navigation element unstyled as a list. In any case, the CSS is pretty much innocuous, feels almost like reader mode (which is my go to). Thanks!

ModernMech 11mo ago

Thanks it worked but... lol the style doesn't even add anything, it just makes it harder to read by lowering the contrast of the page.

Archelaos 11mo ago

Another option is to use Firefox and press [F9].

nashashmi 11mo ago
MS Edge does the same thing.

nashashmi 11mo ago

Normally I like CSS naked websites. But some of them have multiple SVG icons right at the top that take up the entire width of the page. And that hurts. Devs: please practice observing your site without css

ncr100 11mo ago

As https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45918066 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45918066 says, go to https://www.blender.org/lab/ https://www.blender.org/lab/ instead.