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Incompetence and laziness among doctors is a big cause. As a professional you've probably worked with many colleagues you thought were bad. Well there are docto

Incompetence and laziness among doctors is a big cause. As a professional you've probably worked with many colleagues you thought were bad. Well there are doctors like that too. Many of them. And unlike in tech, they don't get let go if they're bad. They stay around and keep "treating" patients.

nrhrjrjrjtntbt 1y ago
I was thinking this the other day about GP. If I work in tech I work in a team and we pair. Why doesnt this happen with doctors. Why is everything all on one mind to get wrong or right. Yes there is a team of doctors sometimes but they communicate via emails async and you visit one then the next and so on. I guess I know the answer. Money.
- mgh2 1y ago
  Short supply, high demand
  - mckn1ght 1y ago
    And imagine if we had the same requirements to write software as we do to perform surgery! Things would be very different.
    - wk_end 1y ago
      On the flip side, if/when I ever go for surgery I'm pretty damn glad we don't have the same requirements to perform surgery as we do to write software.
- deleted 1y ago
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- nradov 1y ago
  Medicine is a team activity. There is no amount of money which could ever make it feasible to have multiple physicians working simultaneously on routine cases, but they do delegate some tasks to lower licensed providers such as nurses and technicians. For really complex cases there is the Mayo Clinic model (also used in a few other health systems). A patient can come for a day and be seen by an integrated team of specialists to get a diagnosis and treatment plan. But this isn't really scalable. https://www.mayoclinic.org/patient-centered-care/what-makes-mayo-clinic-different https://www.mayoclinic.org/patient-centered-care/what-makes-...
photon_lines 1y ago
This is 100% true, especially in Canada. I've had multiple encounters with doctors who were not fit for their positions and should not have been working as doctors. One of them nearly killed my mom, and another one was suspended due to malpractice and performing research fraud, but was given her license back and is back to work at the moment. Yes she is fully licensed and back to working as a regular MD in Canada: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Jamal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Jamal
- bonsai_spool 1y ago
  > One of them nearly killed my mom, and another one was suspended due to malpractice and performing research fraud, but was given her license back How does alleged research fraud affect someone’s ability to be a caregiver?
  - photon_lines 1y ago
    She blamed the research fraud on her assistant when she was initially accused of it and denied all liabilities. She only admitted to it after they had her cornered. I had her as my endocrinologist for a while and I would not recommend her. Edit: if you want to have a care-taker who doesn't mind lying or is a psychopath, you do you but it's a no go for me.
    - bonsai_spool 1y ago
      > if you want to have a care-taker who doesn't mind lying or is a psychopath, you do you but it's a no go for me. We've gone from accused of research fraud to psychopath. My original point is that I don't see how the effort to produce new knowledge has any bearing on the appropriate management of diabetes/thyroid hormone.
      - photon_lines 1y ago
        So if your endocrinologist was found to have ran a concentration camp in the past, it would have no effect on your decision on whether you wanted to use them as your doctor? Running a concentration camp also has no bearing on a doctor's performance.
moomoo11 1y ago
Yep. I had a misdiagnosis because of a dumbfuck doctor and I’m eternally grateful for the Cleveland Clinic doctor who fixed me up. Fuck that bad doctor, it’s not like they’re some Holy Paladin. He had no remorse either and didn’t really pay much attention to me. I hope AI puts as many doctors out of work as possible so that only the best, like my CC doctor, remain.

nrhrjrjrjtntbt 1y ago

I was thinking this the other day about GP. If I work in tech I work in a team and we pair. Why doesnt this happen with doctors. Why is everything all on one mind to get wrong or right. Yes there is a team of doctors sometimes but they communicate via emails async and you visit one then the next and so on. I guess I know the answer. Money.

mgh2 1y ago
Short supply, high demand
- mckn1ght 1y ago
  And imagine if we had the same requirements to write software as we do to perform surgery! Things would be very different.
  - wk_end 1y ago
    On the flip side, if/when I ever go for surgery I'm pretty damn glad we don't have the same requirements to perform surgery as we do to write software.
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nradov 1y ago
Medicine is a team activity. There is no amount of money which could ever make it feasible to have multiple physicians working simultaneously on routine cases, but they do delegate some tasks to lower licensed providers such as nurses and technicians. For really complex cases there is the Mayo Clinic model (also used in a few other health systems). A patient can come for a day and be seen by an integrated team of specialists to get a diagnosis and treatment plan. But this isn't really scalable. https://www.mayoclinic.org/patient-centered-care/what-makes-mayo-clinic-different https://www.mayoclinic.org/patient-centered-care/what-makes-...

photon_lines 1y ago

This is 100% true, especially in Canada. I've had multiple encounters with doctors who were not fit for their positions and should not have been working as doctors. One of them nearly killed my mom, and another one was suspended due to malpractice and performing research fraud, but was given her license back and is back to work at the moment. Yes she is fully licensed and back to working as a regular MD in Canada: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Jamal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Jamal

bonsai_spool 1y ago
> One of them nearly killed my mom, and another one was suspended due to malpractice and performing research fraud, but was given her license back How does alleged research fraud affect someone’s ability to be a caregiver?
- photon_lines 1y ago
  She blamed the research fraud on her assistant when she was initially accused of it and denied all liabilities. She only admitted to it after they had her cornered. I had her as my endocrinologist for a while and I would not recommend her. Edit: if you want to have a care-taker who doesn't mind lying or is a psychopath, you do you but it's a no go for me.
  - bonsai_spool 1y ago
    > if you want to have a care-taker who doesn't mind lying or is a psychopath, you do you but it's a no go for me. We've gone from accused of research fraud to psychopath. My original point is that I don't see how the effort to produce new knowledge has any bearing on the appropriate management of diabetes/thyroid hormone.
    - photon_lines 1y ago
      So if your endocrinologist was found to have ran a concentration camp in the past, it would have no effect on your decision on whether you wanted to use them as your doctor? Running a concentration camp also has no bearing on a doctor's performance.

moomoo11 1y ago

Yep. I had a misdiagnosis because of a dumbfuck doctor and I’m eternally grateful for the Cleveland Clinic doctor who fixed me up. Fuck that bad doctor, it’s not like they’re some Holy Paladin. He had no remorse either and didn’t really pay much attention to me. I hope AI puts as many doctors out of work as possible so that only the best, like my CC doctor, remain.