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Yeah I mean... can I play Fortnite, BF6 or the upcoming GTA on steamOS?
by robomc 11mo ago
Yeah I mean... can I play Fortnite, BF6 or the upcoming GTA on steamOS?
- lanfeust6 11mo agoFortnite came out in '17, at some point it's no longer going to be relevant.
- jsheard 11mo agoCounter Strike came out in '99 and it's more relevant than ever. Some games just keep going and going.
- Ferret7446 11mo agoI hate to break it to you, but CS is not relevant. How much money do you think it makes, compared to recent top sellers or live service/mobile games?
- refulgentis 11mo agoAbout $1B/year. CS:GO is the highest grossing game on Steam, according to some sources, all agree its top 5. Why is that irrelevant?
- jsheard 11mo agoAlso consistently the most played game on Steam by a fair margin. That doesn't necessarily make it the most played PC game since some big titles like League and Fortnite aren't on Steam, but it's at least close.
- Ferret7446 11mo agoRaid shadow legends is also estimated to make around $1B/year, and there are many such mobile games. Roblox made $3.6B in 2024. Fornite makes $3-5B/year for the past ~decade. Genshin Impact is estimated to make ~$10B this year. Not only in revenue, but all of the above have way more cultural impact/awareness too. The pond is very big, but it's easy to miss that if you're in a bubble in that pond.
- Yokolos 11mo agoCS is consistently the top played game on Steam every year. Are you saying Steam isn't relevant? That's quite the claim to be making.
- refulgentis 11mo agoYou didn't know what you were talking about and got caught in it. That's fine! I was surprised too. Something I've learned with age is it's better to have a laugh together than throw out more cover.
- bloqs 11mo agoI dont give the slightest of shits about CS but have you seen the figures? It's doing absurdly well. In addition the separate economy for skins peaked at 6 billion recently. thats not irrelevant
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- lanfeust6 11mo agoIts not the same game today as it was '99. You could try to make the argument for Fortnite but the differences are not substantial. Point being that if changes are a given, then it's possible for it to run on Linux in the future.
- rvz 11mo agoIf any game has DRM or anti-cheat technology which BF6 does and even most AAA games, then it cannot play it at all without it. That is going to be a no go for any SteamOS device when an highly anticipated game gets released on day 1.
- aaomidi 11mo agoMarket pressure can change game studios behavior.
- LexiMax 11mo agoBattlefield 6 might never run on the average Linux desktop, but I could see a future where it would run on Steam hardware in an end-to-end Secure Boot environment. Gamers don't like playing with cheaters.
- aaomidi 11mo agoWe’re going to have to figure out a better way of dealing with cheaters. You could be playing against an AI model specifically trained on that game. No anti cheat is going to detect that.
- cestith 11mo agoA few anti-cheat systems rather than inspecting the local machine look for things like impossibly fast target acquisition in FPS games, or the server noticing when a shot is taken on an opponent who’s supposed to be totally obscured. Those aren’t perfect, but they don’t require kernel-level anticheat.
- rangestransform 11mo agoCheating detection server side is expensive and probabilistic at best, kernel level anti cheat is a purely financial decision
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- Normal_gaussian 11mo agoProbably not. Kernel level anti cheat is the problem. I know BF6 isn't proton safe. Fortnite is the same. GTA VI will probably run single player on proton fine, GTA V does. Multiplayer will probably not. The multiplayer with kernel level anti cheat will keep Sony safe through at least another generation; Microsoft is less safe as they're so vulnerable this generation anyway.
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- eptcyka 11mo agoGTA V multiplayer was working fine on Proton not too long ago. Haven't played in years though.
- pbmonster 11mo agoThere where changes a few months ago. Multiplayer is completely non-viable since then.
- rkangel 11mo agoThere's a circular opportunity though - if the SteamOS market share gets anywhere, then it might become worth it for these developers to support anti-cheat on the that platform. Some systems (notably BattleEye) actually have Linux support, they just need to enable it, but there's no incentive for them to do so.
- Kbelicius 11mo ago> Some systems (notably BattleEye) actually have Linux support, they just need to enable it, but there's no incentive for them to do so. This isn't really true. As GP said, there isn't a kernel level anti cheat for linux. You can switch a flick on BattleEye to run on linux but it wont be a kernel level as it is on windows. So there is an incentive for them to not turn it on because it simply is the worse version than the windows one. As far as I know even on windows you get cheats even if it is kernel level. Meaning, allowing linux you'd probably be flooded with cheaters if you already get them on windows.
- rowanG077 11mo agoThat you are talking about a hypothetical game not running says enough...
- brendoelfrendo 11mo agoNo, and I understand if that's a deal-breaker for you, but for me I refuse avoid kernel level anticheat wherever possible, so I'm none too fussed about it. If a game wants to run malware, it can do it on a console where it's nice and segmented off from my general-purpose computing.
- Hikikomori 11mo agoDo you also game on a separate windows/Linux user?
- cestith 11mo agoI can’t speak for brendo, but I do most of my gaming on a separate PC-class machine from my home workstation, both of which are separate from my work laptop and personal laptop.
- brendoelfrendo 11mo agoI game primarily on my Linux PC, including multiplayer games. I do have a PS5 and other game consoles, though honestly, they see more use as set-top boxes than they do as gaming devices. I have a separate Windows laptop for work.
- Hikikomori 11mo agoBut not with a separate user? As a process running under your normal user can access all your files and even memory of all your running processes by that user. Its not just kernel stuff that is bad.
- robomc 11mo agoIt's not a deal breaker for me, but it doesn't sound like a recipe for "winning the console generation".
- bathtub365 11mo agoIt’s unlikely you’ll be able to play GTA 6 on any PC platform as it’s only coming out on consoles.
- Agentlien 11mo agoAt least to start. Microsoft strongly encourages all Xbox games to also come out on PC, though they sometimes release later. I cannot find any game developed originally for Xbox Series X|S where this hasn't happened eventually (and the developers definitively aren't still working on the PC version).
- pjmlp 11mo agoAnd they might eventually steer all games into XBox store. I am expecting the day Microsoft decides to take all their studios out of Steam, if SteamOS starts to be too much of a pain.
- robomc 11mo agono but the headline is "valve is about to win the console generation"
- wraptile 11mo agoThese are not winner games these days. Gaming trends are so fast that indie games like the one where you play a duck with a gun is what's driving the gaming community these days.
- itsn0tm3 11mo agoI would say that‘s a bit overly simplified, as much as the indie or indie like game scene is thriving, so is the online multiplayer scene. Gaming is huge and just because one thing is big doesn’t mean another is not. Not a zero sum game here.
- wraptile 11mo agoSure but not being able to play 4 games is not an indication of success either way. It's not 2012 when you had to have Call of Duty - you can not have battlefield, cod or fort nite and still never run out of incredible, popular games to play.
- SkiFire13 11mo agoIf you have a bunch of friends that have battlefield/cod/fortnite and want to play them, they will still do so without you, or at least heavily pressure you into getting them.
- wraptile 11mo agoI'm not sure what could that even mean from consumer pov - I'm not going to buy a platform because some of my friends might want me to play a specific game with me? The pressure to get more games on your platform has never been as low as it is today and has never been this low on Steam itself. You could spend a lifetime with the current Steam library and never feel bored. From product pov Valve feels very comfortable and I bet they have the data to back up this move with basically unlimited war chest. If anything I feel like Valve is pressuring game developers of these major games here - not the other way around.
- _ache_ 11mo ago5 years ago, if someone told you about a commercial Linux gaming console. You were right to laugh. Now, with IA cheating being the norm now, I think Valve has a real chance to add a microchip to "certify" its console and so playing Fornite (or over 3A) on it. Will be a added value over a gaming PC, I don't think they will miss this opportunity for too long.
- wiseowise 11mo agoJesus, since when Fortnite and BF6 became gaming benchmark nowadays? There’s Dota 2, CS2, TF2 all of which are much better games that you’ve listed, and thousands games more. And you can absolutely play GTA, thankfully without horrendous online. The only thing steam should do is to ban their shitty launcher for eternity.
- onion2k 11mo agoJesus, since when Fortnite and BF6 became gaming benchmark nowadays? In order to 'win' a console generation there needs to be support for the games people want to play. Capitalism is a literal popularity contest, and any console that doesn't have Fortnite, COD, FIFA, etc won't win, regardless of what you or I might think of the games. The reason why Steam can't win a console generation is simply because Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo have enough sway over publishers (especially ones they own) than they stop popular games being available on a rival platform. They market it as 'exclusives' but really it's just anti-consumer.
- Cthulhu_ 11mo agoI can see developers work on SteamOS anticheat soon, once it gains more traction (chicken / egg problem though). Those games are available on mobile phones and consoles as well, so "windows" is not a requirement.
- kotaKat 11mo agoIf you can’t play Fortnite on it it sounds like a great time to line up a lawsuit against Epic Games for refusing to allow you to play Fortnite on the Steam box.
- StopDisinfo910 11mo agoI think Valve has a fairly good grasp of what they addressable market is at this point with the Steam Deck having been out for so long. The value proposition is basically play your existing Steam library (and emulated games but that will be left unsaid) in 4k on your TV with an interface suited for it. I am not sure they are that dependent of upcoming games. I will probably buy one because I really enjoy my Deck and I would like to play some more taxing games on a large screen from time to time and I’m never going to buy a PS5 because I have no interest in tying myself to Sony and playing exclusively on my TV.