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To whom? To "charities" owned by other billionaires such as Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and those owned by his children. I don't want billionaires to donat

by input_sh 11mo ago

To whom? To "charities" owned by other billionaires such as Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and those owned by his children. I don't want billionaires to donate anything, I don't want them to use their money to shape the world to their liking. I want them to pay their fair share of taxes and a functional government that properly allocates those extra funds instead of funding the bare minimum.

throw20251110 11mo ago
Your government is pretty dysfunctional the way it is. I'm not surprised billionaires don't want to waste their taxes on that crap.
- vintermann 11mo ago
  No matter where you are on the political spectrum, you almost certainly believe that at least some billionaires carry a disproportionate responsibility for that dysfunction. Whatever they are, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, George Soros or indeed Warren Buffett aren't just passive observers of government.
  - tim333 11mo ago
    Buffett has actively tried to raise taxes on the rich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffett_Rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffett_Rule
- brnt 11mo ago
  Not surprised, but the best solution is not to let billionaires control, tax free, major parts of society instead. The best solution is building a more functional democracy which is in charge of redistribution.
  - mlrtime 11mo ago
    Right, and who gets to decide that? People make it seem like the politicians are somehow more ethical than the billionaires.
    - blackqueeriroh 11mo ago
      Politicians are more ethical than billionaires. They’re even more ethical when billionaires can’t buy them by spending an exorbitant amount “supporting” a candidate.
- input_sh 11mo ago
  Who do you think is responsible for such a dysfunctional government? Is it your average working class person earning about $65k/year or is it billionaires that can throw unfathomable amounts of money at any topic of their interest without it even making a dent in their pocket? To take a recent example, the median income in New York City is about $79k/year (before taxes), while Bill Ackman alone essentially threw away 21.5x that in his failed attempt to influence the mayoral election.
  - senordevnyc 11mo ago
    A majority of voters elected Trump, while Ackman failed to influence the mayoral election with his money.
    - adventured 11mo ago
      And Trump did it with dramatically less campaign money than Hillary or Harris.
    - input_sh 11mo ago
      Gee golly, really!? Thanks for letting me know, I had no idea! I could've also mentioned Ackman personally calling Trump in 2020 to beg him to shut down the economy for a month and my argument would be just the same: I don't want billionaires using their money to shape the world to their liking.
      - mlrtime 11mo ago
        Good for you, I don't want bureaucrats wasting 50c on the dollar to give back what they take. You vote for what you think is right, I'll do the same.
bluecalm 11mo ago
The government already has way more money every year to spend. It wastes a lot of it. A world where all surpluses are distributed by a committee of politicians and their buddies would a be a terrible one.
kiba 11mo ago
We shouldn't tax production but what people take, like land, or polluting our environment, or monopoly privileges granted by government. Which all coincidentally tax billionaires a lot to the point there might not be billionaire, but it's not the 'fair share' that people thought of. It's not asking the rich people to pay more because they make more, but because they owned non-reproducible privileges or because they imposed a cost on our shared environment such as CO2 emission. Don't tax what people produce, but what they took. The tax revenue collected would be then be invested by government to boost the economy or else return to the people via the Citizen's Dividend.
RickJWagner 11mo ago
Billionaires are simply people who play the money game best. I’m not the best basketball player, but I can admire the game of the best players without being jealous of them.
- achenet 11mo ago
  > Billionaires are simply people who play the money game best. False in the general case - with inherited wealth, someone who starts with a lot but grows more slowly will beat a fast grower who started with nothing, at least on short time scales. In other words, you can build a better OS than Windows today, and have better business sense than Bill Gates, but it'll still take you years to catch up to him wealth wise if you're starting at zero. > I’m not the best basketball player, but I can admire the game of the best players without being jealous of them. I agree with that - with any art/practice (business, programming, music, sports, etc), it's always inspiring to see the best play. However, I'd argue that in our current business culture, many players will 1) do things I'm not comfortable doing morally - the sports equivalent of Maradonna's Mano de Dios [0] - so I'm not really comfortable using them as role models (I just tell myself I can do better by playing fair). Examples include Elon Musk and Peter Thiel, so-called libertarians with entire business that consist of "use your friends in government to get juicy government contracts and grow rich off that sweet, sweet taxpayer money" (SpaceX, Palantir), Jobs, Zuckerberg and Gates ripping off their friends and co-founders, products that are intentionally addictive (cigarette companies), etc. 2) not actually be that good but just be in a good position - many rich people are honestly just lucky. Yes, you have the serial entrepreneurs that make _several_ billion dollar fortunes like Jim Clark, you have the wise investors like Warren Buffet, but you also have people like Adam Neumann [1]or any New York real estate tycoon who got started with a small million-dollar loan from their millionaire parents/Saudi oil princes who just got lucky. In particular, I firmly believe I've got more money-making talent than a random Saudi oil prince, even if my bank account doesn't reflect that. Or to use the sports metaphor, I believe I'm a better player than a lot of people currently in the big leagues, even if it's taking a while for the rest of the world to realize that :) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_hand_of_God https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_hand_of_God [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Neumann https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Neumann
epolanski 11mo ago
> To "charities" owned by other billionaires such as Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Which are responsible among other things for the quasi-total eradication of polio from this planet, provided vaccines for billions (literally) people across the globe in poor countries and have been major contributors in malaria and hiv treatment, prevention and research. Also, they provided funds to millions of small rural farmers in third world countries to improve productivity and yields. When I traveled Madagascar, plenty of villages had water and waste infrastructure built with the aid of that foundation too. By the way, their balance sheets are public, and audited every year. I'm baffled by the low-level conspirationism encountered on HN, it feels more and more like reading boomer's facebook everyday.

throw20251110 11mo ago

Your government is pretty dysfunctional the way it is. I'm not surprised billionaires don't want to waste their taxes on that crap.

vintermann 11mo ago
No matter where you are on the political spectrum, you almost certainly believe that at least some billionaires carry a disproportionate responsibility for that dysfunction. Whatever they are, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, George Soros or indeed Warren Buffett aren't just passive observers of government.
- tim333 11mo ago
  Buffett has actively tried to raise taxes on the rich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffett_Rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffett_Rule
brnt 11mo ago
Not surprised, but the best solution is not to let billionaires control, tax free, major parts of society instead. The best solution is building a more functional democracy which is in charge of redistribution.
- mlrtime 11mo ago
  Right, and who gets to decide that? People make it seem like the politicians are somehow more ethical than the billionaires.
  - blackqueeriroh 11mo ago
    Politicians are more ethical than billionaires. They’re even more ethical when billionaires can’t buy them by spending an exorbitant amount “supporting” a candidate.
input_sh 11mo ago
Who do you think is responsible for such a dysfunctional government? Is it your average working class person earning about $65k/year or is it billionaires that can throw unfathomable amounts of money at any topic of their interest without it even making a dent in their pocket? To take a recent example, the median income in New York City is about $79k/year (before taxes), while Bill Ackman alone essentially threw away 21.5x that in his failed attempt to influence the mayoral election.
- senordevnyc 11mo ago
  A majority of voters elected Trump, while Ackman failed to influence the mayoral election with his money.
  - adventured 11mo ago
    And Trump did it with dramatically less campaign money than Hillary or Harris.
  - input_sh 11mo ago
    Gee golly, really!? Thanks for letting me know, I had no idea! I could've also mentioned Ackman personally calling Trump in 2020 to beg him to shut down the economy for a month and my argument would be just the same: I don't want billionaires using their money to shape the world to their liking.
    - mlrtime 11mo ago
      Good for you, I don't want bureaucrats wasting 50c on the dollar to give back what they take. You vote for what you think is right, I'll do the same.

bluecalm 11mo ago

The government already has way more money every year to spend. It wastes a lot of it. A world where all surpluses are distributed by a committee of politicians and their buddies would a be a terrible one.

kiba 11mo ago

We shouldn't tax production but what people take, like land, or polluting our environment, or monopoly privileges granted by government. Which all coincidentally tax billionaires a lot to the point there might not be billionaire, but it's not the 'fair share' that people thought of. It's not asking the rich people to pay more because they make more, but because they owned non-reproducible privileges or because they imposed a cost on our shared environment such as CO2 emission. Don't tax what people produce, but what they took. The tax revenue collected would be then be invested by government to boost the economy or else return to the people via the Citizen's Dividend.

RickJWagner 11mo ago

Billionaires are simply people who play the money game best. I’m not the best basketball player, but I can admire the game of the best players without being jealous of them.

achenet 11mo ago
> Billionaires are simply people who play the money game best. False in the general case - with inherited wealth, someone who starts with a lot but grows more slowly will beat a fast grower who started with nothing, at least on short time scales. In other words, you can build a better OS than Windows today, and have better business sense than Bill Gates, but it'll still take you years to catch up to him wealth wise if you're starting at zero. > I’m not the best basketball player, but I can admire the game of the best players without being jealous of them. I agree with that - with any art/practice (business, programming, music, sports, etc), it's always inspiring to see the best play. However, I'd argue that in our current business culture, many players will 1) do things I'm not comfortable doing morally - the sports equivalent of Maradonna's Mano de Dios [0] - so I'm not really comfortable using them as role models (I just tell myself I can do better by playing fair). Examples include Elon Musk and Peter Thiel, so-called libertarians with entire business that consist of "use your friends in government to get juicy government contracts and grow rich off that sweet, sweet taxpayer money" (SpaceX, Palantir), Jobs, Zuckerberg and Gates ripping off their friends and co-founders, products that are intentionally addictive (cigarette companies), etc. 2) not actually be that good but just be in a good position - many rich people are honestly just lucky. Yes, you have the serial entrepreneurs that make _several_ billion dollar fortunes like Jim Clark, you have the wise investors like Warren Buffet, but you also have people like Adam Neumann [1]or any New York real estate tycoon who got started with a small million-dollar loan from their millionaire parents/Saudi oil princes who just got lucky. In particular, I firmly believe I've got more money-making talent than a random Saudi oil prince, even if my bank account doesn't reflect that. Or to use the sports metaphor, I believe I'm a better player than a lot of people currently in the big leagues, even if it's taking a while for the rest of the world to realize that :) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_hand_of_God https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_hand_of_God [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Neumann https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Neumann

epolanski 11mo ago

> To "charities" owned by other billionaires such as Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Which are responsible among other things for the quasi-total eradication of polio from this planet, provided vaccines for billions (literally) people across the globe in poor countries and have been major contributors in malaria and hiv treatment, prevention and research. Also, they provided funds to millions of small rural farmers in third world countries to improve productivity and yields. When I traveled Madagascar, plenty of villages had water and waste infrastructure built with the aid of that foundation too. By the way, their balance sheets are public, and audited every year. I'm baffled by the low-level conspirationism encountered on HN, it feels more and more like reading boomer's facebook everyday.