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Unfortunately, this brings an obvious question: If they sensor something like this, how could we trust platforms with the actually important subjects?

nicce 11mo ago
We can’t anymore. Simple as that.
- damnesian 11mo ago
  we put way too much faith in them. It's easy to fake authoritative when your substance is virtual.
  - lazide 11mo ago
    lol, the evening news was always a laugh if you knew anything about the subject matter.
  - zahlman 11mo ago
    Suppose we hadn't done so; what alternative method of disseminating information might we have used, that would have had within a few orders of magnitude of the same reach?
    - squigz 11mo ago
      The implication here is that YouTube enabled the reach it got; whereas in reality the reach was induced because of the faith we put in it. Had we not done so, then whatever alternative method of communication we did put our faith in - like blog posts, or self-hosting videos - would have had the same reach.
- pdonis 11mo ago
  I agree with this except for the "anymore" part. We never could trust them. It just wasn't as obvious before as it is now.
  - Der_Einzige 11mo ago
    We will anyway because the “put a camera directly on those in power” approach ala CSPAN is boring. Most Americans literally can’t imagine news as anything other than entertainment.
pimlottc 11mo ago
*censor
reactordev 11mo ago
You can’t.
vlucas 11mo ago
You can't, and this was readily apparent in 2020 with Covid. Even doctors presenting factual information got censored and de-platformed by YouTube. The only real competing video platform that promises no censorship is Rumble ( https://rumble.com https://rumble.com ), but it has a very right-wing slant due to conservatives flocking to it during all the Covid-era social media censorship.
- chasd00 11mo ago
  Yeah the moment they started I knew it was doomed to fail. Get it wrong once and your credibility is ruined. They should have never tried to censor content outside of what is legally required and therefore defined.
  - aucisson_masque 11mo ago
    I kind of agree but laws vary from countries to countries. It's quite an hassle to know what is legal in one country and not in another. Take freedom of speech for instance, half the thing you can say in usa would be deemed as hate speech in Europe.
  - immibis 11mo ago
    Society is doomed because we stopped silencing disinformation peddlers. We know what happens when Nazis are allowed to spread propaganda freely - because that happened one time in Germany, and we saw the results. We don't know what happens when antivaxxers are allowed to spread propaganda freely, but it's not hard to guess, and measles cases are on the rise. You can argue it's not YouTube's problem to solve, but nobody else is solving it, so it's hard for me to blame them for trying. There's also this annoying pattern where 98% of the complaints about censorship are from people who are mad that the objectively stupid and dangerous stuff they were trying to profit from got censored, so it becomes a "boy who cried wolf" situation where any complaint about internet censorship is ignored on the assumption it's one of those. (What if there really is a Nigerian prince who needs my help, and I don't read his email?) This time, though... Society is not being destroyed by people pirating Windows 11. That is entirely different from censoring things that destroy society, and they don't have a good excuse.
Simulacra 11mo ago
We can't. From COVID to wars, YouTube is like public access TV from the 80s with scam preachers. We have to take it with a bucket of salt.
portaouflop 11mo ago
This implies we could ever trust them.
Magnets 11mo ago
like they did during COVID
makeitdouble 11mo ago
> trust platforms Framing it in terms of trust is already problematic. We don't trust the NYTimes or Washington Post, they are a source of information that needs to be taken with shovels of salt and require additional research to get to anything trustworthy. And we always understood that was their role. We don't trust supermarkets or retailers to give us important pricing information, we do the research to get anything actionable. Why is trust involved for YouTube ?
- hsbauauvhabzb 11mo ago
  Because unlike NYT or Washington post, anybody can upload a video in seconds, which implies a reasonable level of freedom of speech.
  - throwaway290 11mo ago
    How is freedom of speech lead to trust? it's more the opposite, when it's free for all anyone can lie and have their lie amplified.
    - hsbauauvhabzb 11mo ago
      Because in order for freedom of speech you also need freedom for people to say dumb and abhorrent things. There are some clear bad things like hate speech, and Grey things like Covid conspiracies, maybe they should be banned, but removal of w11 bypasses sends a clear message that google is the lapdog for other big businesses.
      - throwaway290 11mo ago
        exactly. and it is why total freedom of speech on a platform does not mean we can trust it. maybe even the opposite because people who tell a lie are more motivated (money or whatever) I am not justifying w11 video removal I'm just saying thinking youtube trustworthy because it's open to everybody is a mistake
    - oddmiral 11mo ago
lawn 11mo ago
They removed hundreds of videos documenting Israel's human rights violations. The answer is no, we can't.
yard2010 11mo ago
We can't and we shouldn't, these people only care about making more money, even if it means teenagers contracting diseases in the process. They are then using the money to shape the public opinion about them. The societal norms should change in a way that makes these people miserable the more they are successful IMHO.
- port11 11mo ago
  I'm not even sure I know who Billie Eilish really is but she was all over Reddit for telling billionaires to donate their money. More or less, the charitable and responsible approach to being ultra-rich, and which has disappeared in this century. I see the people in charge of these big corporations as lizards, given every decision they take seems to be anti-Humanity. We should cherish non-profits, small businesses, having a good and boring life, doing normal things. Instead we idolise being successful, rich, or famous. What a stupid system…
npteljes 11mo ago
Did we ever trust them?

nicce 11mo ago

We can’t anymore. Simple as that.

damnesian 11mo ago
we put way too much faith in them. It's easy to fake authoritative when your substance is virtual.
- lazide 11mo ago
  lol, the evening news was always a laugh if you knew anything about the subject matter.
- zahlman 11mo ago
  Suppose we hadn't done so; what alternative method of disseminating information might we have used, that would have had within a few orders of magnitude of the same reach?
  - squigz 11mo ago
    The implication here is that YouTube enabled the reach it got; whereas in reality the reach was induced because of the faith we put in it. Had we not done so, then whatever alternative method of communication we did put our faith in - like blog posts, or self-hosting videos - would have had the same reach.
pdonis 11mo ago
I agree with this except for the "anymore" part. We never could trust them. It just wasn't as obvious before as it is now.
- Der_Einzige 11mo ago
  We will anyway because the “put a camera directly on those in power” approach ala CSPAN is boring. Most Americans literally can’t imagine news as anything other than entertainment.

pimlottc 11mo ago

*censor

reactordev 11mo ago

You can’t.

vlucas 11mo ago

You can't, and this was readily apparent in 2020 with Covid. Even doctors presenting factual information got censored and de-platformed by YouTube. The only real competing video platform that promises no censorship is Rumble ( https://rumble.com https://rumble.com ), but it has a very right-wing slant due to conservatives flocking to it during all the Covid-era social media censorship.

chasd00 11mo ago
Yeah the moment they started I knew it was doomed to fail. Get it wrong once and your credibility is ruined. They should have never tried to censor content outside of what is legally required and therefore defined.
- aucisson_masque 11mo ago
  I kind of agree but laws vary from countries to countries. It's quite an hassle to know what is legal in one country and not in another. Take freedom of speech for instance, half the thing you can say in usa would be deemed as hate speech in Europe.
- immibis 11mo ago
  Society is doomed because we stopped silencing disinformation peddlers. We know what happens when Nazis are allowed to spread propaganda freely - because that happened one time in Germany, and we saw the results. We don't know what happens when antivaxxers are allowed to spread propaganda freely, but it's not hard to guess, and measles cases are on the rise. You can argue it's not YouTube's problem to solve, but nobody else is solving it, so it's hard for me to blame them for trying. There's also this annoying pattern where 98% of the complaints about censorship are from people who are mad that the objectively stupid and dangerous stuff they were trying to profit from got censored, so it becomes a "boy who cried wolf" situation where any complaint about internet censorship is ignored on the assumption it's one of those. (What if there really is a Nigerian prince who needs my help, and I don't read his email?) This time, though... Society is not being destroyed by people pirating Windows 11. That is entirely different from censoring things that destroy society, and they don't have a good excuse.

Simulacra 11mo ago

We can't. From COVID to wars, YouTube is like public access TV from the 80s with scam preachers. We have to take it with a bucket of salt.

portaouflop 11mo ago

This implies we could ever trust them.

Magnets 11mo ago

like they did during COVID

makeitdouble 11mo ago

> trust platforms Framing it in terms of trust is already problematic. We don't trust the NYTimes or Washington Post, they are a source of information that needs to be taken with shovels of salt and require additional research to get to anything trustworthy. And we always understood that was their role. We don't trust supermarkets or retailers to give us important pricing information, we do the research to get anything actionable. Why is trust involved for YouTube ?

hsbauauvhabzb 11mo ago
Because unlike NYT or Washington post, anybody can upload a video in seconds, which implies a reasonable level of freedom of speech.
- throwaway290 11mo ago
  How is freedom of speech lead to trust? it's more the opposite, when it's free for all anyone can lie and have their lie amplified.
  - hsbauauvhabzb 11mo ago
    Because in order for freedom of speech you also need freedom for people to say dumb and abhorrent things. There are some clear bad things like hate speech, and Grey things like Covid conspiracies, maybe they should be banned, but removal of w11 bypasses sends a clear message that google is the lapdog for other big businesses.
    - throwaway290 11mo ago
      exactly. and it is why total freedom of speech on a platform does not mean we can trust it. maybe even the opposite because people who tell a lie are more motivated (money or whatever) I am not justifying w11 video removal I'm just saying thinking youtube trustworthy because it's open to everybody is a mistake
  - oddmiral 11mo ago

lawn 11mo ago

They removed hundreds of videos documenting Israel's human rights violations. The answer is no, we can't.

yard2010 11mo ago

We can't and we shouldn't, these people only care about making more money, even if it means teenagers contracting diseases in the process. They are then using the money to shape the public opinion about them. The societal norms should change in a way that makes these people miserable the more they are successful IMHO.

port11 11mo ago
I'm not even sure I know who Billie Eilish really is but she was all over Reddit for telling billionaires to donate their money. More or less, the charitable and responsible approach to being ultra-rich, and which has disappeared in this century. I see the people in charge of these big corporations as lizards, given every decision they take seems to be anti-Humanity. We should cherish non-profits, small businesses, having a good and boring life, doing normal things. Instead we idolise being successful, rich, or famous. What a stupid system…

npteljes 11mo ago

Did we ever trust them?