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FAA to cut flights by 10% at 40 major airports due to government shutdown
- JKCalhoun 1y agoWild times. I guess I'm just at a loss for words—what's going on in this country.
- mystraline 1y ago[flagged]
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- GiorgioG 1y agoCongress is still supposed to do its job.
- drooby 1y agoBy impeaching and removing him, yes
- georgemcbay 1y agoHalf of Congress clearly believes its job is to do whatever the gangster says.
- dfxm12 1y agoHouse Republicans have been refusing to show up for work for over a month, while still collecting a paycheck. They expect air traffic controllers, et al. to work for free.
- trelane 1y ago[flagged]
- tekno45 1y agoisnt that the minority leader?
- SilverElfin 1y ago[flagged]
- Trasmatta 1y agoThe Republican party has the power to negotiate with the Democrats at any point and reopen the government. This is a Republican shutdown, through and through.
- trelane 1y ago... and conversely, so do Democrats. Amazingly, Republicans were also blamed when the sides were reversed. If you're determined to blame someone, it is always possible to find a way to phrase things so it's their fault.
- danaris 1y ago> Amazingly, Republicans were also blamed when the sides were reversed. Because again and again, it is Republicans who show they are uninterested in governance, while Democrats demonstrate their commitment to it—even if they are sometimes bad at it.
- CamperBob2 1y agoThe Republicans hold sway over all three branches of government. They can reopen the government anytime they wish. Why do you suppose they're not doing that?
- lotsofpulp 1y agoIs it called a hijacking if the majority of passengers support the hijackers?
- op00to 1y agoThe majority of American citizens do not support the policies of the current administration.
- khazhoux 1y agoYou must be thinking of the ones that didn't vote? Yeah, they don't count. (voting is how you get counted)
- esseph 1y agoEven the ones that did vote. They don't seem to support the tariffs, Venezuela/Columbia expeditions, ICE behavior, etc.
- SilverElfin 1y agoThe current administration won the vote. And in fact the continuing resolutions that would fund the government have majority support in both houses of Congress, by the representatives of American citizens. But it needs 60 votes in Senate not just 50 votes. Right now most Democrat senators (all but 3) are voting against even a clean funding resolution that makes no changes to the pre shutdown status quo.
- runako 1y ago> needs 60 votes This is a gentle fiction. The GOP has the 51 votes to change this rule by lunchtime tomorrow and proceed to govern according to the mandate they claim. They may choose not to do that, as is their prerogative. But they do not "need" 60 votes according to the Constitution, which is free online to read. One can even search for a 60-vote cloture requirement in the document and its amendments, which are in fact the real governing documents that describe how Congress is required to operate.
- WillPostForFood 1y agoThe "gangster" wants the government open, republicans in Congress have all voted ~10 times to reopen. How can you not blame the only people voting to keep it closed?
- prh8 1y agoRepublicans want it open with the conditions, conditions that are unacceptable for the health of society
- cdelsolar 1y agothey're taking away people's healthcare
- mayneack 1y agoThe republicans have a clear majority in all three houses. They can reopen if they want to.
- Erem 1y agoDid any of these 10 votes meaningfully address concerns of the objecting representatives?
- dfxm12 1y agoOut of touch billionaires are running the show, insulated from the problems they are creating. They are people who never have to set foot in a grocery store, worry about paying for a doctor's visit or, importantly here, fly commercial.
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- TFYS 1y agoCommon man votes for the people the billionaire owned media and billionaire funded parties tell them to vote for.
- terminalshort 1y agoNo they don't. The common man voted for Trump in 2016 when all the billionaires and big money were behind HRC. The "billionaire owned" media has had a terminal case of Trump derangement syndrome for the last 10 years. If anybody listened to their hysterics anymore Trump would have lost in a landslide. We aren't secretly run by billionaires. That's a brain dead conspiracy theory.
- 1718627440 1y ago> If billionaires were running the show it would be much more competently run, at least. Citation needed.
- senordevnyc 1y agoI suspect we'd have no more shutdowns if the billionaires couldn't fly their private jets anymore. We should push for a law that grounds ALL part 91 (corporate and private) and part 135 (on demand air taxi) flights if the federal government shuts down, with the only exception being for medical flights (and no non-essential passengers allowed on those flights).
- SilverElfin 1y agoDivisiveness and extremism from both parties, when moderates are badly needed. On the issue of the shutdown specifically, there was some belief that Democrats (Schumer in particular) would approve a CR (resolution to fund the federal government) after the second “no kings” protest or perhaps after the election, like maybe it was a political tool they wanted to use for election gains. But it seems they’re content with just letting the shutdown continue indefinitely unless the COVID era “temporary” expansion of ACA subsidies is extended - which is effectively trying to make it permanent.
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- kccoder 1y agoThe establishment dems are moderates. Frustratingly so. What we need are politicians who support regular citizens over the rich and corporations. At least the dems are fighting for something that helps people in need vs the republican’s BBB.
- the_real_cher 1y ago“If there was a shutdown, I think it would leave a tremendously negative mark on the president of the United States. He's the one that has to get people together.” - Donald Trump 2013 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/G1m9mWg3xYk https://www.youtube.com/shorts/G1m9mWg3xYk The republicans have control of every major branch of government and it's still somehow the Dems fault.
- voxl 1y agoGod forbid you actually have to interact with an extermist on the left if you think the geriatric liberals running the show in the democratic party are any kind of extremist.
- cloverich 1y agoTo be clear is the argument that wanting to keep subsidies that maintain healthcare for a few million Americans, at the cost of approximately 10% of the cost of the recent tax breaks passed by Republicans, is extremism? The republicans get everything else they want right? Given the national debt is not the concern (eg because they just cut taxes), what is the issue exactly?
- strathmeyer 1y ago[dead]
- CursedSilicon 1y agoKind of glad I picked Amtrak to go down and visit family for Thanksgiving Gonna be rough if the shutdown lasts to the end of November. Shame the usual suspects didn't get the memo about how badly their party was just decimated across the country. Should've been a canary in the coal mine moment
- georgeburdell 1y agoIn my mind this is how you’re spending your holidays https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VTD96WhhC9w&list=RDVTD96WhhC9w&start_radio=1&pp=ygUWcHVibGl4IGxhc3QgdHJhaW4gaG9tZaAHAQ%3D%3D https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VTD96WhhC9w&list=RDVTD96WhhC9w... Publix holiday commercials were something else
- speed_spread 1y agoThere should be a drug that makes reality feel like this. It would be very popular.
- ethersteeds 1y agoThe drug is called "having lots of money"
- ghtbircshotbe 1y agoThat certainly has a different feel from my experiences taking a Greyhound bus.
- bsimpson 1y agoI have to believe that they'll get their shit together before Thanksgiving. If this petty standoff ruins people's holidays, there will (hopefully) be hell to pay at the next election.
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- istillwritecode 1y agoNo doubt flights between blue cities.
- weo3dev 1y agoI'll give you a hint about all cities in the great us of a. https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-map-showing-trumps-004800031.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-map-showing-trumps-004...
- yodon 1y agoFor those not familiar with where cities are located in the US, that map is basically a population density map of the US. High population density regions are blue, low population density regions are red. This is true even in "deep red" states and "deep blue" states. The founders knew this divide would exist, because the same basic divide was there 200+ years ago (different parties and party names, but the same rural/urban political divide). They purposely chose to design the electoral college system in a way that gave rural regions a significant say in political outcomes even when their population densities are much lower than those of cities. They also purposely placed seats of government away from major cities, for much the same reasons. The country may be more polarized today, but the color pattern on the map is not new.
- terminalshort 1y agoI am skeptical of this claim because in the 1700s the urban population would have been minimal compared to what it is today. A large majority of people were employed on farms.
- iambateman 1y agoJust for a fun data point on this…Charleston SC was the fifth largest city in the US in 1800, with 18,000 people. It’s wild how different the numbers were.
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- noshutdown 1y agoWhy is a shutdown even possible? If there’s no agreement just use what was already law before. It makes no sense. What other country has such a stupid procedure?
- jsolson 1y agoI'd say certain countries in Europe give us a run for our money: https://caw.ceu.edu/other-activities/academic-blog/politics/how-did-belgium-manage-to-survive-without-having-agovernment https://caw.ceu.edu/other-activities/academic-blog/politics/...
- arp242 1y agoNot really comparable because the bureaucratic system kept running. It's just a completely different political system and "there is no government" means a different thing. US-style "government shutdowns" don't really happen in Belgium.
- apexalpha 1y agoThis is completely different. The is the politicians not being able to form a coalition. Imagine your congress not agreeing to fill some commissions or confirm some positions in government. It is a 'shutdown' of the legislative branch, not the executive.
- aidenn0 1y agoIn the US, the legislative branch controls the budget, so when their budget expires, if the legislative branch is shutdown, so is the money.
- femto 1y agoOther countries call it "Loss of Supply". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_of_supply https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_of_supply Usually it is interpreted as a loss of confidence in the government, resulting in the formation of a new government or the calling of an election. Potential loss of power is a pretty good incentive for a government to find a sensible solution.
- defrost 1y agoEarlier: US may cut air traffic 10% by Friday without shutdown deal, sources say (reuters.com) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45828203 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45828203
- wnevets 1y agoIs this the greatness I've been promised?
- cyberax 1y agoAren't you tired of winning already? I certainly am.
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- NewsGotHacked 1y agoAnyone figure out yet which 40 airports these are?!? All articles I have seen say 40 airports but don't mention which ones
- ab071c41 1y agoNot sure if it matters much, to be honest. Even if another airport wasn’t on the list, chances are good it’s connected to at least one that is on the list. Less planes coming in, less planes going out.
- GCUMstlyHarmls 1y agoIf its not on this list, it's probably on next weeks list anyway.
- blondie9x 1y agoAll the major airports. Just looks up the top airports in the US they will all be impacted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_busiest_airports_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_busiest_airports_i... Official announcement tomorrow.
- ac29 1y agoAnchorage International Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Boston Logan International Baltimore/Washington International Charlotte Douglas International Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Dallas Love Ronald Reagan Washington National Denver International Dallas/Fort Worth International Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County Newark Liberty International Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood International Honolulu International Houston Hobby Washington Dulles International George Bush Houston Intercontinental Indianapolis International New York John F Kennedy International Las Vegas McCarran International Los Angeles International New York LaGuardia Orlando International Chicago Midway Memphis International Miami International Minneapolis/St Paul International Oakland International Ontario International Chicago O'Hare International Portland International Philadelphia International Phoenix Sky Harbor International San Diego International Louisville International Seattle/Tacoma International San Francisco International Salt Lake City International Teterboro Tampa International
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- komali2 1y agoEven if flights aren't cut, TSA and related staff are. I've heard rumors of 4 hour security lines at IAH.
- blondie9x 1y agoUnreal. Traveling is just not worth it right now.
- komali2 1y agoIn the USA at least. On my flight from Japan to Taiwan I arrived at Haneda about an hour before my flight, spent 10 minutes total at security including screening time, walked through an automated immigration gate with no wait, had a soba, then boarded. I timed my time from plane door to train in Taiwan: 24 minutes. To be fair I was hustling and had no checked bag. Automated immigration gate, walk through customs without being stopped, straight to the train. The train comes every 10-15 minutes so I also got lucky boarding right before the doors closed. My time from plane to home was about an hour and a half.
- mlrtime 1y agoThe MAX WAS 4 hours, its well under an hour now. Maybe better to get rid of some of the security theater that we also like to scrutinize with good reason.
- runako 1y agoHas anybody modeled what this does to the overall system? My impression is the system doesn't have all that much slack to begin with. And then to reduce all the major airports at the same time? And with the (current) expectation that next week will be worse? Edit: this feels ripe for a simulator type of game. Assume X% of ATC walk off the job every week because they have to pay their bills and can't work ATC for free any longer. Assume Y% of TSA do likewise. Assume FAA increases acceptable fatality risk by Z% weekly. Give little sliders for X, Y, Z. See what conditions are required to let us make it to December 1. More edit: It would be cool to compare this to natural shutdowns. For example, how does a 10% reduction overall affect traffic as compared to a given Nor'easter or hurricane or bomb cyclone? More edit: give FAA the power to e.g. shut down airports and rapidly move & re-certify ATC on other airports, like regional triage. Maybe shut down Hobby and Austin and put everyone at IAH. Move to sectors, so there's a single airport operating in Texas and surrounding states, ATL in the southeast, etc. Game out how far in advance FAA needs to make all those calls in order to minimize fatalities. Game out what is the date after which air travel becomes less safe than driving. This could be like Railroad Tycoon, except from the regulator's perspective.
- AceyMan 1y agoI would expect the airlines to ad hoc create a reduced master schedule in the interim until capacity is restored. They do this for major holidays, but many months in advance. Here they will be doing 72 hours in advance. Flights won't get "cancelled" they'll be NOOP (Not Operating) which is different. As an Ops Chief, this is heaven (while losing money). Tons of spare planes available. Lots of time to work on backlogged maintenance on the planes. Major headache is parking: it's not easy to have too many idle aircraft for a sizable carrier. Stowing them overnight becomes a choke-point.
- runako 1y agoThat's a good point, the airlines know how to handle reduced system capacity. I think in my hypothetical game I am more interested in how does FAA game out what capacity to tell the airlines. For example, assume ATC is still not being paid around Thanksgiving week. How many ATC are still coming to work, for free, with no assurance of receiving back pay, on a holiday week, with a second rent/mortgage payment due in a week? Planning around that seems much harder even than planning around a storm!
- mmaunder 1y agoWatching officials describe how the NTSB is working hard to investigate the recent air disaster, knowing that many at NTSB aren't getting paid...
- senordevnyc 1y agoAre any getting paid?
- jameslk 1y agoSeems like a win for reducing air pollution
- ch4s3 1y agoNot if a significant fraction of people drive.
- mlrtime 1y agoDid you do the math on that?
- ch4s3 1y agoOne could, but you'd need to model multiple scenarios. Surveys show a steady increase in driving for Thanksgiving in the US versus flying since 2020. The average distance according to the AAA is 549 miles, which is approaching the tipping point where flying is more efficient for single passenger trips. For longer trips the tipping point becomes 2+ passengers. Driving will also be worse for NO2 emissions and general ground level pollution. And none of this touches on safety, which I think is worth considering.
- mlrtime 1y agoYeah, that is assuming everyone decides to drive and not stay at home, which I think most would.
- FpUser 1y agoI bet the assholes responsible for shutdown would solve the problem in an instant if they were to start losing money. But they are of course shielded from harm done to the rest of the population.
- esseph 1y agoMost of the establishment are rich enough to not care, but more junior representatives would suffer.
- terminalshort 1y agoIt should be a constitutional amendment that congress and the president get no pay during a shutdown (with no back pay) and pay a $1000 / day fine for each day that it remains closed. And shutdown for a month should trigger elections.
- watwut 1y agoPresident is getting richer and richer evrry day from crypto and deals with familly.
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- hypeatei 1y agoPelosi ran her own cryptocurrency meme coin where transactions can't be tied to a specific person? Oh right, no, she publicly disclosed stock trades that literally everyone else in Congress is doing as well. How does running a meme coin, that anyone in the world can "invest" in while you're President, compare to an insider stock trade?
- sleepyguy 1y agoMaybe they should just cancel all the private jets that fly around and that would probably amount to 10% which would only affect the 1%.
- ChrisArchitect 1y ago[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45828203 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45828203
- silexia 1y agoEmail every representative available in your state and ask them to please either immediately reopen the government or resign and let in someone who will.
- cdelsolar 1y agosounds good for the economy
- glerk 1y agoWhat is stopping them from funding the things they have consensus on piece by piece while they continue debating the rest?
- etskinner 1y agoIn short, horse trading. That is, if you have leverage in an adversarial negotiation, you'd be foolish not to use it to get more of what you want. For example, as a prospective employee, if I knew that I was the only qualified candidate the employer had interviewed, and they really needed someone within a week, I'd know that I can ask for more salary. If I instead take the middle of the salary range, just because it's maximally acceptable to both parties, I'd be missing out
- glerk 1y agoFascinating. Air traffic controllers shouldn’t be a bargaining chip. Planes must keep flying. If the US federal government is too dysfunctional to provide this service (which it is paid to provide), it should be stripped of the privilege of providing it and some other entity should step in to fill the gap. “Shutdown” should be an abdication of sovereignty plain and simple.
- grebc 1y agoWhich other entity in existence is there?
- lunar-whitey 1y agoAbdication of sovereignty is precisely what one party wants. I don’t understand how many people fail to recognize this.
- danaris 1y agoAny "other entity" would, in practice, be either beholden to the same government, or concerned with profit over safety. Our current crisis is not one we can or should base new structures off of. There is no realistic way to run a modern society that can take into account a government utterly hostile to the very notion of governing. We have to get rid of the bad actors and restore some semblance of sanity before we can even consider how to make things more robust against this sort of treasonous single-party capture in future.
- insane_dreamer 1y agoHow many ATCs are there anyway? Surely the gov can find money from somewhere to pay them during the shutdown. They had no problem raising $250M to fund a ballroom (shows you how much of a bribe those "contributions" really were).
- Hikikomori 1y agoIts more important to brutalize your citizens with ICE.
- Frieren 1y ago> The move comes as air traffic controllers have missed their paychecks due to the government shutdown. Air traffic controllers and Transportation Security Administration screeners are among the essential government employees who are required to work during the shutdown. Slavery never went away, it just shifted. But at least the Republican goverment is doing something positive to curve climate change. If they shut down enough of the economy and people cannot afford gas anymore that will produce less CO2. Win?
- insane_dreamer 1y agoICE agents still getting paid (with hefty bonuses) but they can’t pay ATCs. Trump priorities.