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YouTube AI error costs creator his channel over alleged link to Japanese account
- SoftTalker 11mo agoYouTube needs some competition.
- renewiltord 11mo agoEverybody wants someone else to host video. Nobody wants to host video.
- qingcharles 11mo agoAnd the only remote competitor, Vimeo, just got bought by Bending Spoons, so that's not looking great.
- gdulli 11mo agoThis makes me think of Hank Hill asking his Laotian neighbor: "So are you Chinese or Japanese?"
- PyWoody 11mo agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxI5qQAUWVc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxI5qQAUWVc
- huflungdung 11mo ago[dead]
- chithanh 11mo agoOr Sen. Tom Cotton asking Tiktok CEO Shou Zi Chew whether he is member of the CCP, being told that he is a Singaporean citizen, and then asking again.
- greatgib 11mo agoWe often make fun at stupid European regulations, like AI ones, but it is typically in such a case that it is useful. So to ensure that it could not happen when companies like that have such a monopoly that users have no power.
- chao- 11mo agoDo those regulations really "ensure that [incidents like this] could not happen"? I ask this in good faith, because my observation of the last few years is that the incidents still occur, with all of the harms to individuals also occurring. Then, after N number of incidents, the company pays a fine*, and the company does not necessarily make substantive changes. Superficial changes, but not always meaningful changes that would prevent future harms to individuals. *Do these fines tend to be used to compensate the affected individuals? I am not educated on that detail, and would appreciate info from someone who is.
- philipwhiuk 11mo ago> Do those regulations really "ensure that [incidents like this] could not happen"? Regulations never prevent stuff happening. They offer recompense when they do. Laws don't either. In terms of distribution of fines, it is rare.
- CamperBob2 11mo agoSomething prevented these services from originating in the EU to begin with. If not overregulation, what's responsible?
- diffeomorphism 11mo agoHistory, venture capital, single language market, ... . Probably a dozen different factors you could point at instead.
- Ralfp 11mo agoWe've had services like that. But US competition employing thousands of people and churning billions in budgets killed them off.
- nalak 11mo agoAI why? Where’s the proof that AI was involved in this?
- rabinovich 11mo ago"A popular tech YouTuber with over 350,000 subscribers has lost his channel after YouTube’s automated systems flagged him for an alleged connection to a completely unrelated Japanese channel that received copyright strikes."
- nalak 11mo agoAutomated systems existed much much before LLMs were widely deployed.
- prasadjoglekar 11mo agoEverything is AI now. Magic fairy dust.
- philipwhiuk 11mo agoAn algorithm that does a database lookup is more intelligent than an LLM.
- layer8 11mo agoAI doesn’t imply LLM.
- stronglikedan 11mo agoThe term "the algorithm" has been replaced by "the AI" in modern parlance, and doesn't refer to any specific AI architecture - just something that makes a decision without a human in the loop.
- echelon 11mo agoThat's not necessarily AI. That could be as simple as a database lookup against flagged accounts or a simple heuristic score. We're over-AI-ing everything.
- GeekyBear 11mo agoIf an automated system is making the decision to cancel a customer's account, then companies should be required to give cancelled customers a way to speak to a human about the inevitable false positives.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 11mo agoThey do what they want and you (or me or anyone else not on the board of directors) don't have any say over it. They could even have a daily lottery that randomly chooses a couple of people and have all their accounts permanently frozen/closed/cancelled with no recourse at all, ever.
- whatsupdog 11mo agoHow many such stories we have to come across before we as a community come together? Apple and Google's monopolies have to be broken. It's insane that your livelihood depends upon the mercy of one organization.
- MostlyStable 11mo agoIt's not really that simple. There are already alternative video hosting and streaming sites. In the article it mentions that this creator is already using one in fact. The reason why youtube is such a big deal is because of it's market dominance. Everyone watches there, and therefore it is valuable. "breaking it up" just turns it into another one of the many many competitors that already exist. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Youtube's behavior here. It's bad and shouldn't just be shrugged off. I just don't think that shouting "monopoly!" actually fixes anything. If you want a video hosting and streaming site that has less market dominance and better moderation policies, that already exists. Everyone is free to use them.
- cwillu 11mo ago> "breaking it up" just turns it into another one of the many many competitors that already exist. That's very much the point: collaring and tranquilizing the 900 pound gorilla in the room so that the reasons people might have to interact with the 30 other monkeys become relevant.
- MostlyStable 11mo agoExcept that that still doesn't fix the problem. This behavior is downstream of bad laws and regulations. Do you think that Youtube wants to delete a random channel with hundreds of thousands of subscribers? No, that is obviously against it's interests. However, dealing with copyright law in intelligent, nuanced way is too expensive and difficult at scale, and so they resort to these very bad methods. There is a reason that they are probably the only profitable ad-supported platform. Right now, copyright holders aren't focusing on any of the other platforms because 99% of all activity is on youtube. If youtube went away, and the traffic was split up among the other competitors, the same bad dynamics would suddenly get pointed at them, and in 5-10 years we'd be having the same conversation. You need to address the underlying causes of this kind of behavior.
- cft 11mo agoX needs to launch a rival service.
- tmaly 11mo agoThis is a very difficult situation for creators. It is a hassle, but spreading videos out across different platforms seems to be the only viable solution. This is not great as some platforms bring more revenue than others.
- eh_why_not 11mo agoWhat's up with the TeamYouTube account advising him to delete his X post for security reasons because the post contains a channel ID? Like channel ID is not public information and some secret private key or something? https://x.com/TeamYouTube/status/1985378776562168037 https://x.com/TeamYouTube/status/1985378776562168037
- nomel 11mo agoI think diminishing evidence that they still use humans for customer interactions.
- jimrandomh 11mo agoThe reason this happened will probably never be revealed, but I predict it's probably because the channel was uploading videos through a VPN, and wound up sharing an IP address with someone who was using the same VPN for piracy.
- darkhorn 11mo agoAI is cheap and works 90% of the time. Loosing some creators is no problem for YouTube. When we have a competitor only then it will be a problem for YouTube.
- MasterOpelYT 11mo agoWhen we have a competitor only then it will get YouTube crazily hard-at-work. The question is, when will it come?