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To play devil's advocate, I'm guessing if you can get users to type stuff they don't understand into cmd and regedit then you can do some pretty damaging stuff.

by mcintyre1994 1y ago

To play devil's advocate, I'm guessing if you can get users to type stuff they don't understand into cmd and regedit then you can do some pretty damaging stuff. I can see why google would be concerned about malicious versions of these videos being posted, and being difficult to differentiate quickly from ones with the legitimate instructions. Or if those malicious videos were posted and reported, then I can see why a fairly dumb AI system would see the similar legitimate ones as the same thing. Probably a particularly bad scenario for automated moderation.

AlexandrB 1y ago
What you're describing applies to just about every programming tutorial out there.
antiloper 1y ago
Then maybe Microsoft should add a "Use local account" checkbox to the installation screen.
nonethewiser 1y ago
>To play devil's advocate, I'm guessing if you can get users to type stuff they don't understand into cmd and regedit then you can do some pretty damaging stuff Are you just playing devils advocate or do you actually believe this?
- antiloper 1y ago
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- ceejayoz 1y ago
  In the early 2000s a newbie to our forums got computer advice to do something nasty to their BIOS. Months later they came back incandescent with anger. It happens.
  - cwillu 1y ago
    And? Is your answer to “some people gave malicious advice on the internet” _really_ to outlaw giving _any_ advice on the internet?
    - ceejayoz 1y ago
      No? The poster upthread asserted it doesn't happen; I'm saying it does. I didn't propose a solution, and your proposal is clearly not acceptable.
- dylan604 1y ago
  I had a friend that would allow her kids to watch YT videos. One day they were watching a video in my backseat as we were driving where I could hear the audio. The person was trying to tell the kids how to get free stuff for some game or other. The instructions provided had my jaw in my lap. This was years ago so I don't remember the exact details, but it was straight up instructions for installing malware.
  - cwillu 1y ago
    What's your point? It's surely not that giving instructions should be banned because it's possible to give malicious instructions, is it?
    - dylan604 1y ago
      The point is that it wasn't just possible, they flat out were giving malicious instructions. Not sure why there's resistance when we all know there's shit like this on YT. I'm not asking anyone to remove it or ban it or report it. I'm just retelling the story of the first time I heard something so blatant that my jaw dropped on this not being some random story from the internet. It was just shocking the first time I experienced it. There's nothing to be done other than try to inform others it happens, especially when it's someone/a parent that doesn't know what it means.
- Am4TIfIsER0ppos 1y ago
  I believe you can convince people to hit Alt+F4 for the cheat menu in a video game and they will do it. Actually I think I told people that is how to votekick someone in BF1942 when they are being a dick (me). I believe you can tell people to delete system32 and they will do it. I believe you can tell people to do more damaging things and they will. I still think people should be able to say and do those things.
jpalawaga 1y ago
So you'd advocate for github to remove any install script that users wget + curl, and any documentation references that instruct users to wget + curl? That's much worse than a handful of limited commands in which you're modifying your own user account.
notyourwork 1y ago
Google is here to protect Microsoft OS users? Where do we draw the line on what Google (owner of Youtube) is responsible for.
- mcintyre1994 1y ago
  I'm guessing that they take down videos that give you instructions that install malicious scripts etc, if they're reported. I don't know for sure, but that seems likely to be against their rules. And I'd guess that most of those would target Windows. Obviously they're not responsible for it, but I'm guessing they don't allow it and would remove it if it's reported.
1718627440 1y ago
It is easier to understand what a command does, than to derive how it is called from first principles.

AlexandrB 1y ago

What you're describing applies to just about every programming tutorial out there.

antiloper 1y ago

Then maybe Microsoft should add a "Use local account" checkbox to the installation screen.

nonethewiser 1y ago

>To play devil's advocate, I'm guessing if you can get users to type stuff they don't understand into cmd and regedit then you can do some pretty damaging stuff Are you just playing devils advocate or do you actually believe this?

antiloper 1y ago
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ceejayoz 1y ago
In the early 2000s a newbie to our forums got computer advice to do something nasty to their BIOS. Months later they came back incandescent with anger. It happens.
- cwillu 1y ago
  And? Is your answer to “some people gave malicious advice on the internet” _really_ to outlaw giving _any_ advice on the internet?
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    No? The poster upthread asserted it doesn't happen; I'm saying it does. I didn't propose a solution, and your proposal is clearly not acceptable.
dylan604 1y ago
I had a friend that would allow her kids to watch YT videos. One day they were watching a video in my backseat as we were driving where I could hear the audio. The person was trying to tell the kids how to get free stuff for some game or other. The instructions provided had my jaw in my lap. This was years ago so I don't remember the exact details, but it was straight up instructions for installing malware.
- cwillu 1y ago
  What's your point? It's surely not that giving instructions should be banned because it's possible to give malicious instructions, is it?
  - dylan604 1y ago
    The point is that it wasn't just possible, they flat out were giving malicious instructions. Not sure why there's resistance when we all know there's shit like this on YT. I'm not asking anyone to remove it or ban it or report it. I'm just retelling the story of the first time I heard something so blatant that my jaw dropped on this not being some random story from the internet. It was just shocking the first time I experienced it. There's nothing to be done other than try to inform others it happens, especially when it's someone/a parent that doesn't know what it means.
Am4TIfIsER0ppos 1y ago
I believe you can convince people to hit Alt+F4 for the cheat menu in a video game and they will do it. Actually I think I told people that is how to votekick someone in BF1942 when they are being a dick (me). I believe you can tell people to delete system32 and they will do it. I believe you can tell people to do more damaging things and they will. I still think people should be able to say and do those things.

jpalawaga 1y ago

So you'd advocate for github to remove any install script that users wget + curl, and any documentation references that instruct users to wget + curl? That's much worse than a handful of limited commands in which you're modifying your own user account.

notyourwork 1y ago

Google is here to protect Microsoft OS users? Where do we draw the line on what Google (owner of Youtube) is responsible for.

mcintyre1994 1y ago
I'm guessing that they take down videos that give you instructions that install malicious scripts etc, if they're reported. I don't know for sure, but that seems likely to be against their rules. And I'd guess that most of those would target Windows. Obviously they're not responsible for it, but I'm guessing they don't allow it and would remove it if it's reported.

1718627440 1y ago

It is easier to understand what a command does, than to derive how it is called from first principles.