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>Yes it does happen but very rarely to the tune of a few hours every 5-10 years. It is rare, but it happens at LEAST 2-3x a year. AWS us-east-1 has a major in
by mlrtime 1y ago
>Yes it does happen but very rarely to the tune of a few hours every 5-10 years.
It is rare, but it happens at LEAST 2-3x a year. AWS us-east-1 has a major incident affecting multiple services (that affect most downstream aws services) multiple times a year. Usually never the same root cause.
Not very many people realize that there are some services that still run only in us-east-1.
- energy123 1y agoIt happens 2-3x a year during peacetime. Tail events are not homogeneously distributed across time.
- mlrtime 1y agoI don't understand, peacetime?
- mbreese 1y agoPeacetime = When not actively under a sustained attack by a nation-state actor. The implication being, if you expect there to be a “wartime”, you should also expect AWS cloud outages to be more frequent during a wartime.
- mrits 1y agoIt makes a lot more sense if they had a typo of peak
- smaudet 1y agoDon't forget stuff like natural disasters and power failures...or just a very adventurous squirrel. AWS (over-)reliance is insane...
- lII1lIlI11ll 1y agoWhat about being actively attacked by multinational state or an empire? Does it count or not? Why people keep using "nation-state" term incorrectly in HN comments is beyond me...
- phpnode 1y agoIt sounds more technical than “country” and is therefore better
- kelipso 1y agoTo me it sounds more like saying regime instead of government, gives off a sense of distance and danger.
- jacquesm 1y agoNot really: nations state level actor: a hacker group funded by a country, not necessarily directly part of that country's government but at the same time kept at arms length for deniability purposes. For instance, hacking groups operating from China, North Korea, Iran and Russia are often doing this with the tacit approval and often funding from the countries they operate in, but are not part of the 'official' government. Obviously the various secret services in so far as they have personnel engaged in targeted hacks are also nation state level actors.
- waisbrot 1y agoI think people generally mean "state", but in the US-centric HN community that word is ambiguous and will generally be interpreted the wrong way. Maybe "sovereign state" would work?
- mbreese 1y agoIt could be a multinational state actor, but the term nation-state is the most commonly used, regardless of accuracy. You can argue over whether of not the term itself is accurate, but you still understood the meaning.
- dragonwriter 1y agoAs someone with a political science degree whose secondary focus was international relations, "Nation-state" has a number of different, definitions, an (despite the fact that dictionaries often don't include it), one of the most commonly encountered for a very long time has been "one of the principle subjects of international law, held to possess what is popularly, but somewhat inaccuratedly, referred to as Westphalian sovereignty" (there is a historical connection between this use and the "state roughly correlating with single nation" sense that relates to the evolution of “Westphalian sovvereignty” as a norm, but that’s really neither here nor there, because the meaning would be the meaning regardless of its connection to the other meaning.) You almost never see the definition you are referring used except in the context of explicit comparison of different bases and compositions of states, and in practice there is very close to zero ambiguity which sense is meant, and complaining about it is the same kind of misguided prescriptivism as (also popular on HN) complaining about the transitive use of "begs the question" because it has a different sense than the intransitive use.
- __MatrixMan__ 1y agoIts a different kind of outage when the government disconnects you from the internet. Happens all the time, just not yet in the US.
- vrc 1y agoWell technically AWS has never failed in wartime.
- joelthelion 1y agoCall it the aws holiday. Most other companies will be down anyway. It's very likely that your company can afford to be down for a few hours, too.
- chii 1y agoimagine if the electricity supplier too that stance.
- ahoka 1y agoIsn't that basically Texas?
- SecretDreams 1y agoTexas is like if you ran your cloud entirely in SharePoint.
- jofzar 1y agoLet's not insult SharePoint like that. It's like if you ran you cloud on an old dell box in your closet while your parent company is offering to directly host it in AWS for free.
- sgarland 1y agoAlso, every time your cloud went down, the parent company begged you to reconsider, explaining that all they need you to do is remove the disturbingly large cobwebs so they can migrate it. You tell them that to do so would violate your strongly-held beliefs, and when they stare at you in bewilderment, you yell “FREEDOM!” while rolling armadillos at them like they’re bowling balls.
- malfist 1y agoBut that is the stance for a lot of electrical utilities. Sometimes weather or a car wreck takes out power and since its too expensive to have spares everywhere, sometimes you have to wait a few hours for a spare to be brought in
- yla92 1y ago> there are some services that still run only in us-east-1. What are those ?
- cyberax 1y ago> Not very many people realize that there are some services that still run only in us-east-1. The only ones that you're likely to encounter are IAM, Route53, and the billing console. The billing console outage for a few hours is hardly a problem. IAM and Route53 are statically stable and designed to be mostly stand-alone. They are working fine right now, btw. During this outage, my infrastructure on AWS is working just fine, simply because it's outside of us-east-1. Ironically, our observability provider went down.