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On the plus side, PC gaming hardware seems to last ages now. I built my gaming desktop in 2020, I had a look lately at what a reasonable modern mid tier setup i

On the plus side, PC gaming hardware seems to last ages now. I built my gaming desktop in 2020, I had a look lately at what a reasonable modern mid tier setup is and they are still recommending a lot of the parts I have. So I'll probably keep using it all for another 5 years then.

brokenmachine 1y ago
But your stuff from 2020 probably isn't AI "enhanced"!! Throw it in the garbage!
- SkiFire13 1y ago
  Sounds like a plus to me.
- pjc50 1y ago
  I was planning on hanging on to my Win10 PC, which was perfectly fine except that Microsoft were both pestering me to upgrade and telling me it wasn't possible, but the death of its SSD after 7 years put paid to that.
  - arethuza 1y ago
    I have a PC that is probably at least 10 years old but works perfectly well for browsing, spreadsheets and the occasional lightweight game but MS has decided, in its infinite wisdom, to say that it can't be upgraded to Windows 11. So I will probably install Linux (probably Debian) and move on and forget about those particular games... (~30 years since I first installed Linux on a PC!).
    - opan 1y ago
      What sort of lightweight games? Nethack? Solitaire?
      - arethuza 1y ago
        World of Tanks...
    - khedoros1 1y ago
      I've got a computer that I built in 2008 and upgraded in 2012. It's pretty solid for higher-requirement games up until about 2015, and can still handle lower-requirement indie stuff today. I built its successor in 2020, using a GPU from 2017. The longevity of the PS4 has given that thing serious legs, and I haven't seen the need to upgrade yet. It still runs what I want to run. It's also the first post-DOS x86/64 machine I've owned that has never had Windows installed.
MaxikCZ 1y ago
Its a double edge sword. Yes, back then 2 year old computer was old, but at the same time every 2 years a new generation of games came out that were like never seen before. Each generation was a massive step-up. Today, a layman couldnt chronologically sort CoD games from past 10 years from looks/play/feel, new Fifa and similar is _the_ same game but with new teams added to it, and virtually every game made is a "copycat with their own twist" with almost 0 technical invention.
- justsomehnguy 1y ago
  Yes, thanks, I don't need "technical invention" in the form of more shaders for hiding the ass quality of the gameplay. Mirror's Edge Catalyst still looks great despite being almost 10 y.o. and manages to bring 2080Ti on it's knees in FullHD+.
- Gigachad 1y ago
  This is fine? Today’s games look beautiful and developers are hardly restricted by hardware. Games can innovate on content, stories, and experiences rather than on technology. Feels similar to how painting hasn’t had any revolution in new paints available.
  - standardly 1y ago
    > "copycat with their own twist" with almost 0 technical invention. I think he meant the software side (game-systems wise), not hardware innovation
  - boppo1 1y ago
    AAA games suck compared to 10 years ago though.
    - Discordian93 1y ago
      I disagree, AAA games started nosediving with the seventh generation 20 years ago and only recently have they started to tentatively show signs of recovery.
crote 1y ago
On the other hand, you're also stuck with design mistakes for ages. The AM5 platform is quite lacking when it comes to PCIe lanes - especially once you take USB4 into account. I'm hoping my current setup from 2019 survives until AM6 - but it seems AMD wants to keep AM5 for another generation or two...
- Yokolos 1y ago
  Aren't they waiting for DDR6?
- wtallis 1y ago
  There's minimal demand for Thunderbolt/USB4 ports on Windows desktops. It won't ever make sense to inflate CPU pin count specifically for that use case, especially when the requisite PCIe lanes don't have to come directly from the CPU. You'd be better off complaining about how Threadripper CPUs and motherboards are priced out of the enthusiast consumer market, than asking for the mainstream CPU platform to be made more expensive with the addition of IO that the vast majority of mainstream customers don't want to pay for.
- zamadatix 1y ago
  One person's "design mistake" is another person's "market segmentation". x16 GPU + x4 NVMe + x4 USB = 24 direct CPU lanes covers 99% of the market, with add-ons behind the shared chipset bandwidth. The other 1% of the market are pushed to buy Threadripper/Epyc.
estimator7292 1y ago
Just this year I finally replaced my 3rd gen I5 system. It was well over 10 years old and still just able to keep up with my workloads. Now it's a node in my proxmox cluster running transcodes for jellyfin. The circle of life
fennecbutt 1y ago
I still have a 1080ti which does swimmingly. There just aren't enough AAA/"AAAA" games coming out that I care to play. Oblivion remaster almost tempted me into upgrading but I couldn't justify it just for a single game. The only reason I'd upgrade is to improve performance for AI stuff.

brokenmachine 1y ago

But your stuff from 2020 probably isn't AI "enhanced"!! Throw it in the garbage!

SkiFire13 1y ago
Sounds like a plus to me.
pjc50 1y ago
I was planning on hanging on to my Win10 PC, which was perfectly fine except that Microsoft were both pestering me to upgrade and telling me it wasn't possible, but the death of its SSD after 7 years put paid to that.
- arethuza 1y ago
  I have a PC that is probably at least 10 years old but works perfectly well for browsing, spreadsheets and the occasional lightweight game but MS has decided, in its infinite wisdom, to say that it can't be upgraded to Windows 11. So I will probably install Linux (probably Debian) and move on and forget about those particular games... (~30 years since I first installed Linux on a PC!).
  - opan 1y ago
    What sort of lightweight games? Nethack? Solitaire?
    - arethuza 1y ago
      World of Tanks...
  - khedoros1 1y ago
    I've got a computer that I built in 2008 and upgraded in 2012. It's pretty solid for higher-requirement games up until about 2015, and can still handle lower-requirement indie stuff today. I built its successor in 2020, using a GPU from 2017. The longevity of the PS4 has given that thing serious legs, and I haven't seen the need to upgrade yet. It still runs what I want to run. It's also the first post-DOS x86/64 machine I've owned that has never had Windows installed.

MaxikCZ 1y ago

Its a double edge sword. Yes, back then 2 year old computer was old, but at the same time every 2 years a new generation of games came out that were like never seen before. Each generation was a massive step-up. Today, a layman couldnt chronologically sort CoD games from past 10 years from looks/play/feel, new Fifa and similar is _the_ same game but with new teams added to it, and virtually every game made is a "copycat with their own twist" with almost 0 technical invention.

justsomehnguy 1y ago
Yes, thanks, I don't need "technical invention" in the form of more shaders for hiding the ass quality of the gameplay. Mirror's Edge Catalyst still looks great despite being almost 10 y.o. and manages to bring 2080Ti on it's knees in FullHD+.
Gigachad 1y ago
This is fine? Today’s games look beautiful and developers are hardly restricted by hardware. Games can innovate on content, stories, and experiences rather than on technology. Feels similar to how painting hasn’t had any revolution in new paints available.
- standardly 1y ago
  > "copycat with their own twist" with almost 0 technical invention. I think he meant the software side (game-systems wise), not hardware innovation
- boppo1 1y ago
  AAA games suck compared to 10 years ago though.
  - Discordian93 1y ago
    I disagree, AAA games started nosediving with the seventh generation 20 years ago and only recently have they started to tentatively show signs of recovery.

crote 1y ago

On the other hand, you're also stuck with design mistakes for ages. The AM5 platform is quite lacking when it comes to PCIe lanes - especially once you take USB4 into account. I'm hoping my current setup from 2019 survives until AM6 - but it seems AMD wants to keep AM5 for another generation or two...

Yokolos 1y ago
Aren't they waiting for DDR6?
wtallis 1y ago
There's minimal demand for Thunderbolt/USB4 ports on Windows desktops. It won't ever make sense to inflate CPU pin count specifically for that use case, especially when the requisite PCIe lanes don't have to come directly from the CPU. You'd be better off complaining about how Threadripper CPUs and motherboards are priced out of the enthusiast consumer market, than asking for the mainstream CPU platform to be made more expensive with the addition of IO that the vast majority of mainstream customers don't want to pay for.
zamadatix 1y ago
One person's "design mistake" is another person's "market segmentation". x16 GPU + x4 NVMe + x4 USB = 24 direct CPU lanes covers 99% of the market, with add-ons behind the shared chipset bandwidth. The other 1% of the market are pushed to buy Threadripper/Epyc.

estimator7292 1y ago

Just this year I finally replaced my 3rd gen I5 system. It was well over 10 years old and still just able to keep up with my workloads. Now it's a node in my proxmox cluster running transcodes for jellyfin. The circle of life

fennecbutt 1y ago

I still have a 1080ti which does swimmingly. There just aren't enough AAA/"AAAA" games coming out that I care to play. Oblivion remaster almost tempted me into upgrading but I couldn't justify it just for a single game. The only reason I'd upgrade is to improve performance for AI stuff.