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There are some other pictures circulating showing the exterior of the aircraft. It definitely appears something hit the aircraft. There is a skid mark on the fr

There are some other pictures circulating showing the exterior of the aircraft. It definitely appears something hit the aircraft. There is a skid mark on the frame around the window.[1] Will be interesting to read if an investigative report is made public. [1]https://viewfromthewing.com/new-cockpit-photos-may-show-what-struck-the-united-737-injuring-a-pilot-and-sparking-space-debris-fears/ https://viewfromthewing.com/new-cockpit-photos-may-show-what...

fragmede 1y ago
Interesting, that link says it might just be hail.
- bronco21016 1y ago
  A lot doesn't add up from that article though. The writer mentions the window in question is the Captain's window. From the pictures, it appears to be the First Officer's window. Also, the writer mentions pock marks consistent with hail damage in other areas of the aircraft but I haven't found any images substantiating that. Hail is absolutely the most probably explanation, the article points to two other instances with similar outcomes. I think the doubt comes from the lack of evidence of hail or convective activity or other hail damage on the aircraft. Also, the pilot reportedly said he saw something coming at the aircraft.
  - JCM9 1y ago
    Most journalists are pretty bad when it comes to covering aviation so I wouldn’t put much weight on the discrepancies. Half the time they can’t tell the difference between a jet and a Cessna 172. Seriously.
    - potato3732842 1y ago
      Reminds me of this gem: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6d/79/e9/6d79e9982b92c476e1d671f317003ec6--storm-shelters-journalism.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6d/79/e9/6d79e9982b92c476e1d671f31...
    - thayne 1y ago
      Journalists are generally pretty bad at covering any technical topic, unless the journalist has some specific training in that topic, which is rare.
      - herewulf 1y ago
        Indeed. As an engineer I ask an expert to review anything technical that I write (or program) for accuracy where I'm not an expert, but for some reason journalists don't do this. And so here we are.
        maxbond 1y ago
        > ...but for some reason journalists don't do this. I imagine most journalists would love to have technical reviewers on their work, but there's no funding for it and there's pressure to churn content as quickly as possible. The specialized editors and fact checkers have been stripped away in the last few decades to create lean content mills.
        hsbauauvhabzb 1y ago
        My local papers can’t even publish without glaring spelling errors that would be highlighted in every editor that supports spell checking
        serf 1y ago
        >I imagine most journalists would love to have technical reviewers on their work, but there's no funding for it and there's pressure to churn content as quickly as possible. well, so, we call these people what they are : tabloid writers. journalists are the ones that take the time, effort, and cost to verify claims and rebroadcast perceived truths.
        maxbond 1y ago
        This is a bit of a "no true Scotsman" issue. Almost no one working as a journalist is given the resources to do that. Even if they have access to those resources, they don't necessarily have access to them for every story. And how are you supposed to become a senior journalist who has developed sources and gained enough trust/reputation to have resources invested in them - without being a junior journalist who is only given the leftover scraps? A journalist deprived of resources might regress to what you call a tabloid writer, sure. But my issue is with framing it as a moral failing on their part, that they're too lazy or stupid or arrogant to get the facts right. Surely there are people like that, but it isn't most of them. This is a systemic issue. As a society we have failed to fund these activities.
  - grapesodaaaaa 1y ago
    I feel like a hail would cause a strong radar return that would have been noticed or at least documented by NEXRAD or onboard systems. I’m sure the NTSB investigation will consider this angle, and we will find out eventually.
- Cthulhu_ 1y ago
  Would hail form that high up? I thought any water would have frozen / solidified well below that height, it's -55 celsius up there.
  - zamadatix 1y ago
    Hail can be found higher than cruising altitude. Remember, it forms by riding updrafts in large storm clouds. Those updrafts don't stop blowing based on what's going on with the hail. That said, I really doubt this was hail. The pilot is said to have seen something coming, which is probably why they are focused on a weather balloon payload now.
- chiph 1y ago
  I was thinking it could be blue ice - leakage from another jet's waste holding tank. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_ice_(aviation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_ice_(aviation)
  - lazide 1y ago
    Not too many commercial aircraft at > FL 360. They’d be hard to miss too.
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stevehawk 1y ago
anyone know why these photos have random paperclip/clippy icons?
- slicktux 1y ago
  Probably OPs’ version of watermark..?
  - Archonical 1y ago
    Watermarks usually have branding to indicate ownership. Two distinct 3D paperclip overlays don't seem like watermarks and JonNYC doesn't use them in all photos he's posted on his thread on Bluesky. They don't even seem to serve as visual cues.
- dmbche 1y ago
  Not sure but first thought was part of the right to repair movement having adopted clippy as a mascot/logo (louis rossman)
  - echelon 1y ago
    They use clippy, not paperclips. Specifically the cartoon stock art clippy from the original video essay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_Dtmpe9qaQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_Dtmpe9qaQ Notice how almost all the comments on that video bear the clippy icon. It's spreading everywhere. Twitter, Reddit, Instagram ...
    - numpad0 1y ago
      [flagged]
      - echelon 1y ago
        The most "2020s internet" tldw ever: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R-qrjJr5Ets https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R-qrjJr5Ets Despite the "internetedness" of this, it's a pretty concise summary. I'm actually really proud of these kids for doing this. It probably won't amount to much, but they're increasingly conscious of and vocal about the problems caused by Big Tech.

fragmede 1y ago

Interesting, that link says it might just be hail.

bronco21016 1y ago
A lot doesn't add up from that article though. The writer mentions the window in question is the Captain's window. From the pictures, it appears to be the First Officer's window. Also, the writer mentions pock marks consistent with hail damage in other areas of the aircraft but I haven't found any images substantiating that. Hail is absolutely the most probably explanation, the article points to two other instances with similar outcomes. I think the doubt comes from the lack of evidence of hail or convective activity or other hail damage on the aircraft. Also, the pilot reportedly said he saw something coming at the aircraft.
- JCM9 1y ago
  Most journalists are pretty bad when it comes to covering aviation so I wouldn’t put much weight on the discrepancies. Half the time they can’t tell the difference between a jet and a Cessna 172. Seriously.
  - potato3732842 1y ago
    Reminds me of this gem: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6d/79/e9/6d79e9982b92c476e1d671f317003ec6--storm-shelters-journalism.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6d/79/e9/6d79e9982b92c476e1d671f31...
  - thayne 1y ago
    Journalists are generally pretty bad at covering any technical topic, unless the journalist has some specific training in that topic, which is rare.
    - herewulf 1y ago
      Indeed. As an engineer I ask an expert to review anything technical that I write (or program) for accuracy where I'm not an expert, but for some reason journalists don't do this. And so here we are.
      - maxbond 1y ago
        > ...but for some reason journalists don't do this. I imagine most journalists would love to have technical reviewers on their work, but there's no funding for it and there's pressure to churn content as quickly as possible. The specialized editors and fact checkers have been stripped away in the last few decades to create lean content mills.
        hsbauauvhabzb 1y ago
        My local papers can’t even publish without glaring spelling errors that would be highlighted in every editor that supports spell checking
        serf 1y ago
        >I imagine most journalists would love to have technical reviewers on their work, but there's no funding for it and there's pressure to churn content as quickly as possible. well, so, we call these people what they are : tabloid writers. journalists are the ones that take the time, effort, and cost to verify claims and rebroadcast perceived truths.
        maxbond 1y ago
        This is a bit of a "no true Scotsman" issue. Almost no one working as a journalist is given the resources to do that. Even if they have access to those resources, they don't necessarily have access to them for every story. And how are you supposed to become a senior journalist who has developed sources and gained enough trust/reputation to have resources invested in them - without being a junior journalist who is only given the leftover scraps? A journalist deprived of resources might regress to what you call a tabloid writer, sure. But my issue is with framing it as a moral failing on their part, that they're too lazy or stupid or arrogant to get the facts right. Surely there are people like that, but it isn't most of them. This is a systemic issue. As a society we have failed to fund these activities.
- grapesodaaaaa 1y ago
  I feel like a hail would cause a strong radar return that would have been noticed or at least documented by NEXRAD or onboard systems. I’m sure the NTSB investigation will consider this angle, and we will find out eventually.
Cthulhu_ 1y ago
Would hail form that high up? I thought any water would have frozen / solidified well below that height, it's -55 celsius up there.
- zamadatix 1y ago
  Hail can be found higher than cruising altitude. Remember, it forms by riding updrafts in large storm clouds. Those updrafts don't stop blowing based on what's going on with the hail. That said, I really doubt this was hail. The pilot is said to have seen something coming, which is probably why they are focused on a weather balloon payload now.
chiph 1y ago
I was thinking it could be blue ice - leakage from another jet's waste holding tank. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_ice_(aviation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_ice_(aviation)
- lazide 1y ago
  Not too many commercial aircraft at > FL 360. They’d be hard to miss too.

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stevehawk 1y ago

anyone know why these photos have random paperclip/clippy icons?

slicktux 1y ago
Probably OPs’ version of watermark..?
- Archonical 1y ago
  Watermarks usually have branding to indicate ownership. Two distinct 3D paperclip overlays don't seem like watermarks and JonNYC doesn't use them in all photos he's posted on his thread on Bluesky. They don't even seem to serve as visual cues.
dmbche 1y ago
Not sure but first thought was part of the right to repair movement having adopted clippy as a mascot/logo (louis rossman)
- echelon 1y ago
  They use clippy, not paperclips. Specifically the cartoon stock art clippy from the original video essay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_Dtmpe9qaQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_Dtmpe9qaQ Notice how almost all the comments on that video bear the clippy icon. It's spreading everywhere. Twitter, Reddit, Instagram ...
  - numpad0 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - echelon 1y ago
      The most "2020s internet" tldw ever: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R-qrjJr5Ets https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R-qrjJr5Ets Despite the "internetedness" of this, it's a pretty concise summary. I'm actually really proud of these kids for doing this. It probably won't amount to much, but they're increasingly conscious of and vocal about the problems caused by Big Tech.