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This is a hot topic among some of my nerdier SME friends, and our conclusion is that the major players are HPE and Nutanix. At least from our perspective over h
by INTPenis 1y ago
This is a hot topic among some of my nerdier SME friends, and our conclusion is that the major players are HPE and Nutanix. At least from our perspective over here in Sweden.
HPE did a big brain move to support multiple hypervisor backends with their own frontend. The only way to go forward imho.
I'm using Proxmox at my current $dayjob, and we're quite happy with it. I come from a big VMware shop and I think most businesses could easily replace VMware with Proxmox.
I think Proxmox should just launch an Enterprise contract, regardless of the cost, just have one. Because right now I think the main obstacle halting adoption is their lack of any Enterprise SLA.
On a personal level I would love to see KubeVirt, or Openshift with KubeVirt, take over more. It just seems like a genius move to use the already established APIs of kubernetes with a hypervisor runtime.
- sgt 1y agoProxmox is about to miss their window of opportunity here. They are uniquely positioned to take on VMWare, but their outfit seems like a fairly tiny and conservative company with zero ambition to take on the world, so to speak.
- bigstrat2003 1y agoIf they aren't interested in that business, then it isn't really a window of opportunity for them. In fact I respect a company that chooses to not pursue business opportunities that don't fit their goals, and instead focus on being a good fit for the market they are in. Growth isn't the most important thing.
- Spivak 1y agoI've been at multiple companies that wasted millions courting large enterprise contacts only to not make a single sale. It does make the sales update more exciting though—if we just get this one sale… I can't blame any company for wanting to stay out of that market.
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- turtletontine 1y agoIt helps that they’re not a publicly traded company [A]. If you’re beholden to stockholders, you’re beholden to a market demanding growth at all costs. Even if the leadership at the moment wants this stable strategy, all investor pressure tends toward aggressive moves to the contrary. [A] probably? I couldn’t conclusively determine this, and I’m not an expert
- tapete2 1y agoIndeed they are not. They are a Austrian GmbH, which is a special kind of company form that is not really comparable to a e.g. British or American Ltd. Long story short, for being a publicly traded company, they would need to "transform" to an AG ("Aktiengesellschaft", where "Aktie" means "share of stock").
- sgt 1y agoAs I understood it, GmbH is like an LLC but with more paperwork.
- tacker2000 1y agoA GmbH is nothing “special”, its basically the most used corporate structure in Austria (and Germany). Its a limited liability structure and most businesses from small to large that have private shareholders use it (Red Bull or Porsche Holding are GmbHs for example)
- conception 1y agoXcp-ng seems better positioned with a familiar vmwareish experience.
- kaliszad 1y agoYou can have a look at XCP-ng. They have the expertise and it's originally a fork of Citrix XenServer however they are completely on their own feet now delivering some interesting advancements.
- matt-p 1y agoThey're a european business. I don't think they're interested in the stress involved in selling to enterprise.
- veeti 1y agoLifestyle business, the antithesis of Y Combinator.
- guerby 1y agohttps://www.proxmox.com/en/products/proxmox-virtual-environment/pricing https://www.proxmox.com/en/products/proxmox-virtual-environm... "Premium" Access to Enterprise repository Complete feature-set Support via Customer Portal Unlimited support tickets Response time: 2 hours* within a business day Remote support (via SSH) Offline subscription key activation
- INTPenis 1y ago>Response time: 2 hours* within a business day What's a business day? I wouldn't call that a 24/7 SLA.
- simoncion 1y ago> I wouldn't call that a 24/7 SLA. You asked for an Enterprise SLA. Not all Enterprise SLAs are 24/7. IM(Professional)E, most are not 24/7. > What's a business day? From the FAQ on the page linked to by guerby: What are the business days/hours for support? Ticket support provided by the Proxmox Enterprise support team is available on Austrian business days (CET/CEST timezone) for all Basic, Standard, or Premium subscribers, please see all details in the Subscription Agreement. For different timezones, contact one of our qualified Proxmox resellers who will be able to offer you help with Proxmox solutions in your timezone and your local language. Check out the actual FAQ entry to chase down the links embedded in those words that I'm too lazy to try to reproduce.
- tw04 1y ago> You asked for an Enterprise SLA. Not all Enterprise SLAs are 24/7. IM(Professional)E, most are not 24/7. Any serious enterprise software or hardware company absolutely has a 24/7 support option. They all have a base option that is not 24/7 for a significantly lower price. There’s no way you’re replacing VMware in any company of any size without 24/7 support.
- generic92034 1y agoFormally, yes, they are 24/7. However, getting the expert you really need to solve the issue, that can be much harder on weekends. Sometimes it only amounts to handholding till Monday.
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- jwithington 1y agoYes, I'd think Openshift with Kubevirt would be positioned to move in. Lots of Openshift in some of the sectors I've worked with so seems like a natural expansion. I forgot about MSFT's ability to bundle Hyper-V though which seems to come up in this thread a lot. Love the username.
- grimblee 1y agoI proposed that my job move to Openshift on bare metal but there was some pushback because of missing functionnalities ? In the end we're going with hpe.
- eppp 1y agoThe lack of support for SANs and ISCSI really bothers me. I like the way this style of setup works, I would like to keep doing it.
- throwaway270925 1y agoProxmox supports both FC and ISCSI though!?
- jeffal 1y agoNo equivalent of VMFS though.