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The sad truth about this incident is that it reveals that OpenAI does not have a serious effort to actually work on unsolved math problems.

rowanG077 1y ago
How so? I wouldn't put much stock into a roque employee announcing something wrong.
- mrbungie 1y ago
  That's not any employee, its their VP of Science.
  - amirhirsch 1y ago
    The people involved are very smart and must know that AI doing novel math is a canary for AGI. A serious effort around solving open problems would not fuck up this kind of announcement.
- coldtea 1y ago
  "rogue employee"
jebarker 1y ago
That’s a non sequitur. They’re a fairly large organization, I’d be amazed if they don’t have multiple research sub-teams pursuing all sorts of different directions.
- amirhirsch 1y ago
  It is not about whether some team somewhere is dabbling in math, it’s about institutional emphasis. When serious math work exists, it tends to be checked before being broadcast. The fact that this didn’t happen suggests that genuine mathematical rigor isn’t a central focus.
grafmax 1y ago
I realized they jumped the shark when they announced the pivots to ads and porn. Markets haven’t caught on yet.
- goalieca 1y ago
  The porn pivot makes perfect sense. Porn is already quite fake and unconvincing and none of that matters.
  - throwacct 1y ago
    Unfortunately, the porn pivot might be their path to "profitability".
    - goalieca 1y ago
      Global porn industry revenue is 100B. They won’t take 10% of that. Real humans are already selling themselves pretty cheap or free en masse.
  - mrbombastic 1y ago
    It might not matter as far as profitability is concerned, ethically the second order effects will be very problematic. I am no puritan but the widespread availability of porn has already affected peoples sexual expectations greatly. AI generated porn is going to remove even more guardrails for behavior previously considered deviant, people will view and bring those expectations back to real life.
    - glenstein 1y ago
      To perhaps make the same point as you in a different way, I have no issue with "deviancy" but I think it can accelerate the cycle of chasing a sugar high.
    - swat535 1y ago
      This is the same argument that people used for video games, "rock music" and violent movies. I would argue that AI generated porn might be more ethical than traditional porn because the risk of the models being abused or trafficked is virtually zero.
make3 1y ago
they're hiring people for that right now if you look at their LinkedIn posts

rowanG077 1y ago

How so? I wouldn't put much stock into a roque employee announcing something wrong.

mrbungie 1y ago
That's not any employee, its their VP of Science.
- amirhirsch 1y ago
  The people involved are very smart and must know that AI doing novel math is a canary for AGI. A serious effort around solving open problems would not fuck up this kind of announcement.
coldtea 1y ago
"rogue employee"

jebarker 1y ago

That’s a non sequitur. They’re a fairly large organization, I’d be amazed if they don’t have multiple research sub-teams pursuing all sorts of different directions.

amirhirsch 1y ago
It is not about whether some team somewhere is dabbling in math, it’s about institutional emphasis. When serious math work exists, it tends to be checked before being broadcast. The fact that this didn’t happen suggests that genuine mathematical rigor isn’t a central focus.

grafmax 1y ago

I realized they jumped the shark when they announced the pivots to ads and porn. Markets haven’t caught on yet.

goalieca 1y ago
The porn pivot makes perfect sense. Porn is already quite fake and unconvincing and none of that matters.
- throwacct 1y ago
  Unfortunately, the porn pivot might be their path to "profitability".
  - goalieca 1y ago
    Global porn industry revenue is 100B. They won’t take 10% of that. Real humans are already selling themselves pretty cheap or free en masse.
- mrbombastic 1y ago
  It might not matter as far as profitability is concerned, ethically the second order effects will be very problematic. I am no puritan but the widespread availability of porn has already affected peoples sexual expectations greatly. AI generated porn is going to remove even more guardrails for behavior previously considered deviant, people will view and bring those expectations back to real life.
  - glenstein 1y ago
    To perhaps make the same point as you in a different way, I have no issue with "deviancy" but I think it can accelerate the cycle of chasing a sugar high.
  - swat535 1y ago
    This is the same argument that people used for video games, "rock music" and violent movies. I would argue that AI generated porn might be more ethical than traditional porn because the risk of the models being abused or trafficked is virtually zero.

make3 1y ago

they're hiring people for that right now if you look at their LinkedIn posts