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Covid has 2.2%? Now thats some serious number for 2023. Not doubting, just feeling that we went through seriously traumatic event as whole mankind, and it feels

Covid has 2.2%? Now thats some serious number for 2023. Not doubting, just feeling that we went through seriously traumatic event as whole mankind, and it feels like subconsiousness is pushing it into distant dream-like story compared to what it actually was and how recently. Or am I the only one feeling about it this way?

jansan 1y ago
The data seems flawed. Also the number at the left chart for homicide with <1% is technically correct, but with the actual number at roughly 0,007% it seems like a bit of an exaggeration.
nradov 1y ago
Determining primary cause of death is often somewhat subjective. Almost everyone listed as a COVID-19 death had other serious co-morbid medical conditions. If a deceased patient had heart failure and type-2 diabetes, and also tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, then what killed them in the end? Hard to say. (Same issue applies to influenza etc.)
BenFranklin100 1y ago
For a while, if a person had COVID within the previous month, any subsequent death counted as COVID. Recover from COVID and jump out of a plane without a parachute? COVID. I believe that doesn’t happen much anymore, at least I hope. I suspect what may be happening is that we have some very sick, elderly people with only weeks to months to live who catch COVID and die. Those deaths may still be counted as COVID deaths.
- buellerbueller 1y ago
  >For a while, if a person had COVID within the previous month, any subsequent death counted as COVID. Recover from COVID and jump out of a plane without a parachute? COVID. I believe that doesn’t happen much anymore, at least I hope. [Citation missing.]
- autoexec 1y ago
  If anything covid deaths are under-counted. While you can't give a single example of someone dying after jumping out of a plane and it being called a covid death there are actual examples of covid deaths and infections being suppressed and hidden from the public. There's also a huge jump in excess deaths unaccounted for by official numbers and some suspicious spikes in flu and pneumonia deaths.
buellerbueller 1y ago
A HUGE amount of the population in my quickly-regressing country don't believe that COVID was the killer that it in fact was. Most people don't talk about it because as with everything (NFL halftime shows, restaurant logos, etc) in my quickly-regressing country, COVID is a topic that inflames passions.
- timr 1y ago
  > A HUGE amount of the population in my quickly-regressing country don't believe that COVID was the killer that it in fact was. I don't know what country you're referring to, but there's ample data that it's highly partisan in the USA, and you, too, might be misinformed. In particular, the political left wildly overestimates the lethality of Covid (both historically and in the present). See, for example [1]. Other sources [2,3] reporting on the same data also validate the overall partisanship, but unfortunately don't show the correct answer in a way that makes it easy to see the pattern. [1] https://www.allsides.com/blog/partisan-divide-among-republicans-democrats-about-covid-risks https://www.allsides.com/blog/partisan-divide-among-republic... [2] https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-misinformation-is-distorting-covid-policies-and-behaviors/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-misinformation-is-dis... [3] https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/354938/adults-estimates-covid-hospitalization-risk.aspx https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/354938/adults-estimat...
  - buellerbueller 1y ago
    None of this refutes what I asserted.
    - deleted 1y ago
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    - timr 1y ago
      To the extent that you asserted anything specific at all, it was that "a HUGE amount of the population" in your country don't believe that the virus was "the killer it in fact was". I just showed you that a) there's a large misconception about the lethality of the virus, and b) people on the left side of the US political spectrum tend to systematically exaggerate the threat. In particular "the killer it in fact was" is often not a factual statement, but a partisan exaggeration of reality.

jansan 1y ago

The data seems flawed. Also the number at the left chart for homicide with <1% is technically correct, but with the actual number at roughly 0,007% it seems like a bit of an exaggeration.

nradov 1y ago

Determining primary cause of death is often somewhat subjective. Almost everyone listed as a COVID-19 death had other serious co-morbid medical conditions. If a deceased patient had heart failure and type-2 diabetes, and also tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, then what killed them in the end? Hard to say. (Same issue applies to influenza etc.)

BenFranklin100 1y ago

For a while, if a person had COVID within the previous month, any subsequent death counted as COVID. Recover from COVID and jump out of a plane without a parachute? COVID. I believe that doesn’t happen much anymore, at least I hope. I suspect what may be happening is that we have some very sick, elderly people with only weeks to months to live who catch COVID and die. Those deaths may still be counted as COVID deaths.

buellerbueller 1y ago
>For a while, if a person had COVID within the previous month, any subsequent death counted as COVID. Recover from COVID and jump out of a plane without a parachute? COVID. I believe that doesn’t happen much anymore, at least I hope. [Citation missing.]
autoexec 1y ago
If anything covid deaths are under-counted. While you can't give a single example of someone dying after jumping out of a plane and it being called a covid death there are actual examples of covid deaths and infections being suppressed and hidden from the public. There's also a huge jump in excess deaths unaccounted for by official numbers and some suspicious spikes in flu and pneumonia deaths.

buellerbueller 1y ago

A HUGE amount of the population in my quickly-regressing country don't believe that COVID was the killer that it in fact was. Most people don't talk about it because as with everything (NFL halftime shows, restaurant logos, etc) in my quickly-regressing country, COVID is a topic that inflames passions.

timr 1y ago
> A HUGE amount of the population in my quickly-regressing country don't believe that COVID was the killer that it in fact was. I don't know what country you're referring to, but there's ample data that it's highly partisan in the USA, and you, too, might be misinformed. In particular, the political left wildly overestimates the lethality of Covid (both historically and in the present). See, for example [1]. Other sources [2,3] reporting on the same data also validate the overall partisanship, but unfortunately don't show the correct answer in a way that makes it easy to see the pattern. [1] https://www.allsides.com/blog/partisan-divide-among-republicans-democrats-about-covid-risks https://www.allsides.com/blog/partisan-divide-among-republic... [2] https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-misinformation-is-distorting-covid-policies-and-behaviors/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-misinformation-is-dis... [3] https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/354938/adults-estimates-covid-hospitalization-risk.aspx https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/354938/adults-estimat...
- buellerbueller 1y ago
  None of this refutes what I asserted.
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
  - timr 1y ago
    To the extent that you asserted anything specific at all, it was that "a HUGE amount of the population" in your country don't believe that the virus was "the killer it in fact was". I just showed you that a) there's a large misconception about the lethality of the virus, and b) people on the left side of the US political spectrum tend to systematically exaggerate the threat. In particular "the killer it in fact was" is often not a factual statement, but a partisan exaggeration of reality.