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If its drive-by-wire steering, then isn't loss of power steering the same as loss of all steering?
by Eddy_Viscosity2 1y ago
If its drive-by-wire steering, then isn't loss of power steering the same as loss of all steering?
- mikestew 1y agoIf its drive-by-wire steering… Which it isn’t. What production passenger vehicles have no steering column? (EDIT: oh, yeah, forgot about Cybertruck.)
- theluketaylor 1y agoThere are many passenger vehicles with brake-by-wire, but only one I'm aware of with steer-by-wire: cybertruck
- lsaferite 1y agoCybertruck for one. I searched and found several, some without any manual backup. That's crazy to me.
- inamberclad 1y agoThe cyber truck, tragically.
- qwerpy 1y agoI’ve really enjoyed it on mine. Steer by wire enables progressive steering. Having to turn the wheel over and over in other cars to maneuver in parking lots seems laughably primitive now in comparison.
- inamberclad 1y agoEnjoy your nazimobile
- qwerpy 1y ago:P
- constantcrying 1y agoE.g. the cybertruck. It will also be more common as vehicles become more automated.
- PKop 1y agoTesla Cybertruck, Lexus RZ 450e, Nio ET9, Toyota bZ4X https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steer-by-wire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steer-by-wire
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- lsaferite 1y agoI'm shocked (literally) to see there are production vehicles with steer-by-wire. Couple that with OTA updates and you have a vehicle I'd refuse to ride in, much less purchase.
- 20after4 1y agoI think most recently developed large commercial passenger aircraft are completely fly by wire with most controls lacking any physically interlinked backup. Thinking of this somehow reminded me of the most harrowing aircraft disaster that I've ever read about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_232 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_232 It's both tragic because half of the passengers were killed but also miraculous that anyone survived at all.
- jmount 1y agoHopefully I am not too naive, but I think aircraft safety redundancy remains above retail car standards. Also, in aircraft they "have time to solve some problems", versus freeway bumper cars.
- 20after4 1y agoIndeed, but read the link I posted above if you're interested in a fascinating case of failed redundancy.
- sho_hn 1y agoEngaging version by the incredible Admiral Cloudberg: https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/fields-of-fortune-the-crash-of-united-airlines-flight-232-9cf65ae14c68 https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/fields-of-fortune-the-cr...
- raverbashing 1y agoYeah Also people say "oh what if fly-by-wire fails" well what if traditional hydraulic controls fail, which has happened plenty in the history of commercial aviation Everything can and will fail at some point No redundancy is redundancy enough in some %0.xx of cases. You can always reduce the number, but never make it 0
- OptionOfT 1y agoI think there are only a couple of cars that are steer-by-wire. The Infinity Q50, QX50, QX55 and QX60 (with backup that connects upon electric failure). Without backup, but triple redundancy, can be found in the Tesla Cybertruck. But I'd take that redundancy with a grain of salt as they don't have the best track record telling you the truth. That said, I really with companies would go back to the good old hydraulic steering. I don't need self-parking. But self-parking needs at least electric steering (with our without steering column).
- ajross 1y ago> self-parking needs at least electric steering You can control a hydraulic system automatically. That's literally what ABS braking is on the same cars already.
- dismalaf 1y agoWhich vehicles other than the Cybertruck have drive by wire steering? To my knowledge it's the only one without a physical steering column...