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It sounds like even the PS6 isn’t going to have an expressive improvement, and that the PS5 was the last such console. PS5 Pro was the first console focused on
by Uvix 1y ago
It sounds like even the PS6 isn’t going to have an expressive improvement, and that the PS5 was the last such console. PS5 Pro was the first console focused on fake frame generation instead of real output resolution/frame rate improvements, and per the article PS6 is continuing that trend.
- PaulHoule 1y agoWhat really matters is the cost. In the past a game console might launch at a high price point and then after a few years, the price goes down and they can release a new console at a high at a price close to where the last one started. Blame crypto, AI, COVID but there has been no price drop for the PS5 and if there was gonna be a PS6 that was really better it would probably have to cost upwards of $1000 and you might as well get a PC. Sure there are people who haven’t tried Steam + an XBOX controller and think PV gaming is all unfun and sweaty but they will come around.
- Uvix 1y agoAs long as I need a mouse and keyboard to install updates or to install/start my games from GOG, it's still going to be decidedly unfun, but hopefully Windows' upcoming built-in controller support will make it less unfun.
- PaulHoule 1y agoToday you can just buy an Xbox controller and pair it with your Windows computer and it just works and it’s the same same with the Mac. You don’t have to install any drivers or anything and with the big screen mode in Steam it’s a lean back experience where you can pick out your games and start one up without using anything other than the controller.
- withinboredom 1y agoIf you have steam, ps4/ps5 controllers also work fine.
- PaulHoule 1y agoThey do but they cost a lot more.
- withinboredom 1y agoMy ps5 came with one for “free”
- musicale 1y agoThey do not work fine in every game. That is why I think you need a Steam controller as well.
- jamesnorden 1y agoPlus add your GOG games as non-Steam games to Steam and launch them from big screen mode as well.
- Uvix 1y agoBut when I have to install drivers, or install a non-Steam game, I can't do that with the controller yet. That's what I need for PC gaming to work in my living room.
- Rohansi 1y agoOr you just need a Steam controller. They're discontinued now but work well as a mouse+keyboard for desktop usage. It got squished into the Steam Deck so hopefully there's a new version in the future.
- musicale 1y agoI like big picture mode in Steam, but.... controller support is spotty across Steam games, and personally I think you need both a Steam controller and a DualSense or Xbox controller. Steam also updates itself by default every time you launch, and you have to deal with Windows updates and other irritations. Oh, here's another update for .net, wonderful. And a useless new AI agent. SteamOS and Linux/Proton may be better in some ways, but there are still compatibility and configuration headaches. And half my Steam library doesn't even work on macOS, even games that used to work (not to mention the issues with intel vs. Apple Silicon, etc.) The "it just works" factor and not having to mess with drivers is a huge advantage of consoles. Apple TV could almost be a decent game system if Apple ever decided to ship a controller in the box and stopped breaking App Store games every year (though live service games rot on the shelf anyway.)
- overfeed 1y ago> [...]controller support is spotty[...] DualSense 4 and 5 support under Linux is rock-solid, wired or wireless. That's to be expected since the drivers are maintained by Sony[1]. I have no idea about the XBox controller, but I know DS works perfectly with Steam/Proton out of the box, with the vanilla Linux kernel. 1. https://www.phoronix.com/news/Sony-HID-PlayStation-PS5 https://www.phoronix.com/news/Sony-HID-PlayStation-PS5
- musicale 1y agoI have clarified that I meant controller support in the Steam games themselves. Some of them work well, some of them not so well. Others need to be configured. Others only work with a Steam controller. I wish everything worked well with DualSense, especially since I really like its haptics, but it's basically on the many (many) game developers to provide the same kind of controller support that is standard on consoles.
- overfeed 1y agoThanks for the clarification. I've into that a couple of times - Steam's button remapping helps sometimes, but you'd have to remember which controller button the on-screen symbol maps to.
- samtheprogram 1y agoLaunch Steam in big screen mode. Done.
- Uvix 1y agoI'm aware of Big Picture Mode, and it doesn't address either of the scenarios I cited specifically because they can't be done from Big Picture Mode.
- Retric 1y agoInflation. PS5 standard at $499 in 2019 is $632 in 2025 money which is the same as the 1995 PS 1 when adjusted for inflation $299 (1995) to $635(2025). https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ Thus the PS6 should be around 699 at launch.
- IlikeKitties 1y agoThe main issue with inflation is that my salary is not inflation adjusted. Thus the relative price increase adjusted by inflation might be zero but the relative price increase adjusted by my salary is not.
- greenavocado 1y agoThose in charge of fiat printing presses have run the largest theft or wealth in world history since 1971 when the dollar decoupled from gold.
- Retric 1y agoCash is a small fraction of overall US wealth, but inflation is a very useful tax on foreigners using USD thus subsidizing the US economy.
- Aurornis 1y agoThe phrase “cost of living increase” is used to refer to an annual salary increase designed to keep up with inflation. Typically, you should be receiving at least an annual cost of living increase each year. This is standard practice for every company I’ve ever worked for and it’s a common practice across the industry. Getting a true raise is the amount above and beyond the annual cost of living increase. If your company has been keeping your salary fixed during this time of inflation, then you are correct that you are losing earning power. I would strongly recommend you hit the job market if that’s the case because the rest of the world has moved on. In some of the lower wage brackets (not us tech people) the increase in wages has actually outpaced inflation.
- dangus 1y agoBut now you’re assuming the PC isn’t also getting more expensive. If a console designed to break even is $1,000 then surely an equivalent PC hardware designed to be profitable without software sales revenue will be more expensive.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 1y agoPCs do get cheaper over time though, except if there is another crypto boom, then we are all doomed.
- greenavocado 1y agoYou have to price it equivalent grams of gold to see the real price trend
- epolanski 1y agoSays who? Economists use the consumer price index, which tracks a wide basket of goods and services. Comparing console prices to a single good is nonsense, even if the good has 6000 of years of history, it's not a good comparison to a single good in a vacuum.
- cyanydeez 1y agoIm still watching 720p movirs, video games. Somewhere between 60 hz and 240hz, theres zero fundamental benefits. Same for resolution. It isnt just that hardware progress is a sigmoid, our experiential value. The reality is that exponential improvement is not a fundamental force. Its always going to find some limit.
- IlikeKitties 1y ago> Im still watching 720p movirs, video games. There's a noticeable and obvious improvement from 720 to 1080p to 4k (depending on the screen size). While there are diminishing gains, up to at least 1440p there's still a very noticeable difference. > Somewhere between 60 hz and 240hz, theres zero fundamental benefits. Same for resolution. Also not true. While the difference between 40fps and 60fps is more noticeable than say from 60 to 100fps, the difference is still noticeable enough. Add the reduction in latency that's also very noticeable.
- saulpw 1y agoIs the difference between 100fps and 240fps noticeable though? The OP said "somewhere between 60hz and 240hz" and I agree.
- IlikeKitties 1y agoThat would be very obvious and immediately noticeable difference but you need enough FPS rendered (natively not with latency increasing frame generation) and a display that can actually do 240hz without becoming a smeary mess. If you have this combination and you play with it for an hour and you go back to a locked 100hz Game you would never want to go back. It's rather annoying in that regard actually.
- oivey 1y agoEven with frame generation it is incredibly obvious. The latency for sure is a downside, but 100 FPS vs 240 FPS is extremely evident to the human visual system.
- greenavocado 1y agoHow many grams of gold has the PS cost at launch using gold prices on launch day
- ssl-3 1y agoIf I'm doing this right, then: PS1: 24.32 grams at launch PS5 (disc): 8.28 grams at launch (So I guess that if what one uses for currency is a sock drawer full of gold, then consoles have become a lot cheaper in the past decades.)
- ZiiS 1y agoReally strange that a huge pile of hacks, maths, and more hacks became the standard of "true" frames.