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The tricky thing about environmental regulations is that they are crafted and utilized by NIMBYs to block any infrastructure development. Even if, on balance, t
by Seattle3503 1y ago
The tricky thing about environmental regulations is that they are crafted and utilized by NIMBYs to block any infrastructure development. Even if, on balance, the infrastructure is a net positive.
It's not clear if these violations actually represent a real environmental hazard or are more reflective of NIMBY degrowth sentiment.
- ceejayoz 1y agoLas Vegas does not strike me as a very friendly place for NIMBYs.
- Ekaros 1y agoJust depends on whose backyard. Haven't the casinos blocked certain possibly beneficial transport projects for long time now?
- bobthepanda 1y agoYou’re thinking of the taxi industry which is the primary reason the monorail doesn’t go to the airport
- serf 1y agosort of? vegas and the surrounding areas are totally inundated with gated communities, I bet you'd get a LOT of nimbyism in those areas. As far as the strip itself goes , well that's controlled by the corporate casino post-mafia folks. I think most of that stuff gets negotiated in backrooms.
- 3D30497420 1y agoFrom the article: > Workers have complained of chemical burns from the waste material generated by the tunneling process, and firefighters must decontaminate their equipment after conducting rescues from the project sites. The company was fined more than $112,000 by Nevada’s Occupational Safety and Health Administration in late 2023 after workers complained of “ankle-deep” water in the tunnels, muck spills and burns. That sounds like a "real environmental hazard" to me.
- sebmellen 1y agoYes this sounds quite serious. In line with Elon’s “at all cost” mindset, which is very powerful but also dangerous.
- jordanb 1y ago"At all costs" to the workers and community, not to Elon.
- idiotsecant 1y agomove fast and break people, communities, and governments. The motto of the post-tech boom new american robber barons
- alienthrowaway 1y agoHard-core tunnel engineering
- Seattle3503 1y agoIndeed I agree chemical burns would suggest a real environmental hazard in this case.
- guywithahat 1y agoTechnically the term chemical burn doesn't indicate severity, just that you got in contact with a corrosive material which had an effect on your skin. My guess would be someone got lime/cement powder on themselves and reported it as a chemical burn. They could have also been dissolved alive in an acid bath, but the size of the fine and the fact propublica doesn't say what happened suggests it was minor.
- idiotsecant 1y agoas was posted elsewhere, it was an industrial curing accelerant chemical used to make grout cure faster. It was not a cement burn. It's interesting, though, that your first impulse is to defend the robber barons that made this happen.
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- Seattle3503 1y ago> if you are just shilling for polluting billionaires. What an acidic thing to fling. I want us to build infrastructure. Nowhere did I say we need do whatever Musk says. I want us to use cost-benefit analysis to judge infrastructure projects rather than the heavy moral framing we get a lot.
- sleepybrett 1y agoWell isn't the boring company trying to build his dumbass single lane tesla road? Is this really infrastructure or just 'trains with extra steps and no safety'
- hollerith 1y agoThis seems intrinsically safer than trains, or so it seems to me (although I am not an expert). It seems safer because trains derails regularly. Tires can blow, but blowing a tire is unlikely to damage the whole train like a derailment is. At the least, the operator has the option to increase safety against blown tires by increasing the separation between cars. Instead of bringing up safety, I'd bring up the microplastics and other pollutants emitted by the technology of the elastomeric tire and which might be an intrinsic property of cost-effective use of the technology.
- AlienRobot 1y ago>From the very first run of the Tōkaidō Shinkansen on October 1, 1964, until the present day, there has never been a single derailment or collision on the entire full-standard Shinkansen rail network resulting in a passenger fatality https://www.nippon.com/en/in-depth/d01045/#:~:text=Zero%20Fatal%20Passenger%20Accidents,collision%20in%20the%20network's%20history. https://www.nippon.com/en/in-depth/d01045/#:~:text=Zero%20Fa... Sounds like trains are pretty safe to me.
- delfinom 1y agoWorkers getting chemical burns and firefighters needing to frequently take on decon sounds awfully like environmental regulations run amuck. Its also outrageous that companies have to pay for workman's comp insurance /s
- Seattle3503 1y ago> Its also outrageous that companies have to pay for workman's comp insurance /s That's not something I proposed in my comment.
- micromacrofoot 1y agoSome environmental regulations are crafted and used that way, but certainly not all, or even a majority, of them.
- doawoo 1y agoThis is a company owned by the same guy whose other company is dumping huge amounts of pollution into the air around Memphis, TN. And when asked they basically said “no we aren’t.” Something tells me it’s not NIMBYism.
- hn_acc1 1y agoIt's not like it's new - the Fremont Tesla plant has a long list of violations, including illegal dumping of toxic waste.
- pas 1y agowhy not both? it's exactly NIMBYism which makes the installation of the very small inefficient gas turbines make economic sense. because it would take too fucking long to get a transmission wire set up to the grid, not to mention about the fight required for starting a new power plant somewhere else. (that said I think it's unethical to run those turbines there)
- tzs 1y ago> It's not clear if these violations actually represent a real environmental hazard or are more reflective of NIMBY degrowth sentiment. Here’s an article that has some details on some of the violations [1]. The sound like things that the state legitimately should be regulating and that this would have minimal impact on growth. [1] https://www.propublica.org/article/elon-musk-boring-company-violations-fines-vegas-loop https://www.propublica.org/article/elon-musk-boring-company-...
- idiotsecant 1y agoThis is so wildly ignorant that I wasn't sure what website I was on for a minute. Clearly, anyone who says [complex, multifaceted loose grouping of kind of related things] is [extreme, polarizing claim with no evidence] is not worth listening to further. Please explain exactly what regulations in this context were 'crafted and utilized by NIMBYs'. Please cite agency and ruling for each supposed grave offense to your anti-NIMBY sensibilities.
- maxnevermind 1y agoNIMBY is in the past, now it is a BANANA - Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anyone