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Ironically now that computer vision is commonplace, the cameras you talk about have become increasingly popular over the years because the magnetic systems do n
by chrisfosterelli 1y ago
Ironically now that computer vision is commonplace, the cameras you talk about have become increasingly popular over the years because the magnetic systems do not do a very good job of detecting cyclists and the cameras double as a congestion monitoring tool for city staff.
- y0eswddl 1y agoand soon/now triple as surveillance.
- VirgilShelton 1y ago[flagged]
- insamniac 1y agoNothing to hide for now.
- BlaDeKke 1y agoI don’t have a problem with the camera as much as with the system behind it.
- serf 1y agogo watch any movie about a panopticon for the (overdiscussed) side-effects of a surveillance state. Fiction works, but if you want to spend the evening depressed then go for any East/West Germany (true) stories. For it or against surveillance and I can understand, but just not understanding the issue? No excuses -- personal surveillance for the sake of the state is one of the most discussed social concepts in the world.
- ericd 1y agoThe Lives of Others is a great one about the Stasi.
- DonHopkins 1y agoRTSP feed please!
- slashdev 1y agoUntil the politicians want to come after you for posts you make on HN, or any other infraction they decide is now an issue. History is littered with the literal bones of people who thought they had nothing to fear from the state. The state is not your friend, and is not looking out for you.
- alvah 1y agoThe number of people who cling to this view is frankly astonishing. History books are still a thing, right?
- drumttocs8 1y agoYou have nothing to hide given the current, reasonable definition of crime. What if that changes?
- CamperBob2 1y agoYou have no idea if you have anything to hide or not. It's not your call, and never has been. https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229 https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp...
- reaperducer 1y agoI have nothing to hide Great! Then you don't mind telling us your email password!
- hn_go_brrrrr 1y agoPresumably not. Whether he has any acts to keep secret is not relevant to whether he'd like to have any money left in his bank account tomorrow.
- SXX 1y agoYou have nothing to hide until you automatically marked for whatever and then judged also automatically by a buggy hallucinating AI overlord. Might be because pattern on your face or T-shirt match something bad. And this kind of stuff already happened in UK even before "AI craze". Hundreds of people been imprisoned because of faulty accounting system: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Post_Office_scandal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Post_Office_scandal "Computer says you go to prison"!
- dang 1y agoPlease don't rewrite your comment like this once it has replies. It deprives the replies of their original context, making the thread less readable.
- Spooky23 1y agoThose cameras aren’t usually easily or cheaply adapted to surveillance. Most are really simple and don’t have things like reliable time sync. Also, road jurisdictions are really complex and surveillance requires too much coordination. State, county, town, city all have different bureaucratic processes and funding models. Surveillance is all about Flock. The feds are handing out grants to everyone, and the police drop the things everywhere. They can locate cars, track routine trips, and all sorts of creepy stuff.
- gxs 1y agoWith all due respect, you are kidding yourself if you think those cameras aren’t used for surveillance/ logging They don’t have to be “adapted” to surveillance - they are made with that in mind Obviously older generations of equipment aren’t included here - so technically you may be correct for old/outdated equipment installed areas that aren’t of interest
- khm 1y agoIn my city, cameras for traffic light control are on almost every signalized intersection, and the video is public record and frequently used to review collisions. These cameras are extremely cheaply and easily adapted to surveillance. Public records are public records statewide.
- apwell23 1y ago> the cameras you talk about have become increasingly popular over the years cameras are being used to detect traffic and change lights? i don't think thats happening in USA. which country are you referring to here?
- chrisfosterelli 1y agoYes. I can't speak to the USA, as I'm from Canada, but I've had conversations with traffic engineers from another city about it and increasingly seen them in my own city. Here's an example of one of the systems: https://www.iteris.com/oursolutions/pedestrian-cyclist-safety/smartcycle-bike-indicator https://www.iteris.com/oursolutions/pedestrian-cyclist-safet... They're obviously more common in higher density areas with better cycling infrastructure. The inductive loops are effectively useless with carbon fibre bicycles especially, so these have been a welcome change. But from what I was told these also are more effective for vehicle traffic than the induction loops as drivers often come to a stop too far back to be detected, plus these also allow conditional behaviour based on the number of vehicles waiting and their lanes (which can all be changed without ripping up the road).
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- apwell23 1y ago> seen them in my own city. how can you tell that the cameras you are looking at are changing lights? is there an indication on them?
- chrisfosterelli 1y agoSome of them do, if you look at the link I shared it shows an example of one of the indicators in use in my area. But you can usually tell anyway. You don't think about it as much in a vehicle but on my bike you get used to how each intersection triggers. Sometimes I have to edge forward into the intersection to let a car come up behind me and cover the loop, sometimes I have to come out of the bike lane into the vehicle lane, some intersections have ones that are set sensitive enough to pick up a bike with alloy wheels but not carbon wheels, some of them require cyclists to press a button, some have cameras, etc. For e.g. there was one intersection way out of town that would always have a decent amount of main-way traffic but barely any cross traffic and had no pedestrian crossing. I would always get stuck there hoping a car comes up behind me, or trying to play chicken across the main-way moving at highway speeds. I assume someone complained as it's a popular cyclist route, because they put in a camera and now that intersection detects me reliably, no issues there since then.
- __MatrixMan__ 1y agoSadly, most signal controllers are still using firmware that is not trajectory aware, so rather than reporting the speed and distance of an oncoming vehicle, these vision systems just emulate a magnetic loop by flipping a 0 to a 1 to indicate mere presence rather than passing along the richer data that they have.