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The ability to install what I want is one of the reasons I went with Android, I guess I will have to look elsewhere when I next need a phone. I am hoping the n
by jmclnx 1y ago
The ability to install what I want is one of the reasons I went with Android, I guess I will have to look elsewhere when I next need a phone. I am hoping the new GNU Phone or Linux Phone get to be "thing".
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- exe34 1y agoI'll probably have an android phone in my bag for emergencies and use some kind of offline Linux phone for my mobile computing needs. or even give up on the mobile form factor for general use.
- amelius 1y agoIt could be, if all FOSS developers slapped a new license on their projects saying "not for Android/iOS".
- john01dav 1y agoThis would make it no longer free software as per the FSF's definition. We could turn many more things into GPLv3, which would prevent this, however. Then, Android and iOS can use them if and only if they go under GPLv3 too, which includes provisions against bootloader locking.
- amelius 1y agoI think we need something in between. Permissive for individuals and small companies, but restrictive for mega corporations who impose their will on the populace.
- beanjuiceII 1y agosounds like corporations would no longer have a need to open source anything
- amelius 1y agoIt can go two ways. Either corporations work with their users, or they work against them.
- john01dav 1y agoThe closest that I know of to this is GPLv3 with sold proprietary licenses. Then, when selling proprietary licenses, you can adjust the price to what you think that the customer can afford. There's debate on how ethical such adjustment is, and many companies (recently Slack and often Cloudflare) are criticized for it.
- amelius 1y agoYou can certainly say it is ethical depending on your political views. Large companies have many things working in their favor, and they even use that power to the disadvantage of less fortunate groups of people (or people who made different life choices). Anyway, "it is my FOSS project so I can charge people whatever I want." sounds reasonable.
- yjftsjthsd-h 1y agoActually, how does that work? In my non-lawyer understanding, GPLv3 already says the end user must be allowed to actually run the code, to the point where the iOS app store can't have GPLv3 apps in it. So... does this change mean that GPLv3 apps can't legally be shipped for Android?
- gowld 1y agoYou can sideload apps onto your Android device using a developer setup, which is the setup that anyone building free software would use.
- kmeisthax 1y ago[dead]
- pabs3 1y agoGPLv2 requires allowing reinstallation of modified versions too: https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2021/mar/25/install-gplv2/ https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2021/mar/25/install-gplv2/ https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2021/jul/23/tivoization-and-the-gpl-right-to-install/ https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2021/jul/23/tivoization-and-t... https://events19.linuxfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Safely-Copylefted-Cars-Reexamining-GPLv3-Installation-Information-Requirements-ALS-Bradley-Kuhn-Behan-Webster-1.pdf https://events19.linuxfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017...
- cosmic_cheese 1y agoThe bigger factor is whether or not Linux phones that are reasonably nice to use (everything works, isn’t flaky, battery life is decent-ish) come to market or not. Developers aren’t going to be interested in a platform that for practical purposes is at best a curiosity or something to tinker with, no matter how many idealist checkboxes they tick. Good North America market availability sure would help too. There’s been stuff like Sailfish that seemed interesting in the past but didn’t have easily purchasable devices available in the US, completely precluding development for the platform for a significant number of devs.
- SAI_Peregrinus 1y agoUsage restrictions are not allowed to be considered an OSI-approved Open-Source license. Plenty of people think that the OSI "Open Source Definition" is the only valid definition of "open source", and will thus reject calling such licenses "open source".
- seba_dos1 1y agoI've been happily using "GNU/Linux phones" since 2008, with only 2-3 years around 2017 of using an Android device as a backup, so there's no need to "hope"; you can just act.
- MYEUHD 1y agoHow's the battery life? Does the phone last an entire day on a single charge?
- beanjuiceII 1y agoit lasts 46 minutes
- kop316 1y agoI am trying out a Oneplus 6 on Mobian, and I got 29 hours of battery life on idle, and it is looking to be around 15 hours with light usage. With a Librem 5, its 12ish hours on idle, 20 hours on suspend, and 4-5 hours light usage.
- exe34 1y agodo they make phone calls? can they tether 5G? If so, I might be able invert my plan: use the Linux phone with phone/5G/useful software most of the time, and a cheap android phone in my bag that only comes out for things that need the monopoly apps and tethers to the useful one occasionally when necessary.
- kop316 1y agoBoth of those phones support LTE only. Both make/receive phone calls, but the Librem 5 is more stable on that front. The Fairphone 4/5 supports 5G, but I don't know how stable they are on pmOS/Mobian
- exe34 1y agoany suggestions on how you would call somebody on an iPhone over 5G or WiFi instead of a proper phone call on these? currently use WhatsApp.