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A 12,000-year-old obelisk with a human face was found in Karahan Tepe
- BAPHOMETA88F 1y agoPrimitive interpretation was pictographic, where the image is the absence of the "I" on the one hand. On the other hand, obelisks were objects of civil order.
- daxfohl 1y agoIt looks just like a giant PEZ dispenser.
- fatihpense 1y agoFrom the article: "The arm and hand reliefs on the T-shaped pillars found in and around Göbekli Tepe have long reinforced the idea that these stones symbolized humans. This new find at Karahan Tepe, the first to feature a human face carved into a T-shaped pillar, is considered a turning point in Neolithic research."
- k310 1y agoI didn't get english. Just lucky? https://www-trthaber-com.translate.goog/foto-galeri/karahantepede-12-bin-yil-oncesine-ait-insan-yuzlu-dikili-tas-bulundu/73912/sayfa-2.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true https://www-trthaber-com.translate.goog/foto-galeri/karahant...
- fatihpense 1y agoThanks, I can't change the url now. Since it is just a gallery with minimal information, I forgot to submit translated url.
- altairprime 1y agoYou can email the mods to change it if you like!
- metalman 1y agoinfiniscroll turkish archiology, which only seems right given the 12k years of human building
- dr_dshiv 1y agoIs that the oldest known carved megalithic stone statue of a person?
- AlotOfReading 1y agoKeyword "megalith". We have older carved statues. We have older carved, stone statues. We have older, carved stone statues depicting people, as well as statues from this same site that are full body. It's from basically the same period and culture as urfa man, but at a site that's been initially dated a few hundred years earlier and is generally understood to have been inhabited first. It's contemporaneous with the famous T-pillars at Gobekli Tepe. The important thing is that this is the first T-pillar discovered with a human face, aside from the one with just a human outline.
- j-kent 1y agoCan I just say that it is fantastic that they have included so many detailed pictures of the obelisk. How many times have you visited an article about a discovery only to have no pictures in the article.
- infecto 1y agoMy first exact same thoughts. Every time there is some interesting discovery it’s often with only a single photo or none and a huge wall of text. Pictures speak louder than words in this case. I kept scrolling though multiple articles as they seem to have a format type for these types of articles where its numbers a small paragraph and a high quality photo. Simply love it.
- stronglikedan 1y agoI haven't opened the article yet, since I usually check the top comments to see if it's worth the click, but my first thought when clicking through to the comments was, "this damn article better have pictures for once".
- vidarh 1y agoI read this comment before clicking, and half expected it to be sarcasm exactly because of how common that is
- basfo 1y agoGreat find! and I don’t want to underestimate the discovery by any means, but... We humans are predisposed to see anthropomorphic shapes in things. I understand why that could be interpreted as a face, but at the same time, it could just be a random shape. It’s just a “T” shape. Sure, it could look like a nose and a pair of eyes, but it could also just be... something.
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- pavlov 1y agoThe translated article provides some backing to the claim that it's a face in a style that matches other finds in the area: "The arm and hand reliefs on the T-shaped standing stones found in Göbeklitepe and its surroundings have long strengthened the idea that these stones symbolize humans. This new find, which was unearthed in Karahantepe, is described as a new turning point in Neolithic period research with the fact that the human face was carved on a T-shaped standing stone for the first time." "With its sharp lines, deep eye sockets and blunt nose, it carries a style similar to the human statues found before in Karahantepe."
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- card_zero 1y agoOther stuff at Karahan Tepe has faces on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karahan_Tepe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karahan_Tepe And you can look at similar things from the Taş Tepeler sites in general: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta%C5%9F_Tepeler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta%C5%9F_Tepeler The T-obelisk things, with their long skinny arms, do seem to represent figures. I wonder why they have to be that stupid oblong shape at all. Dual purpose as roof supports? Or just tradition, tradition causes wacky things. Looking around the various carvings from related sites, it's also evident that they were greatly interested in penises.
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- dooglius 1y agoI wonder if it's possible to correct for the effects of time to see what it originally looked like
- AlotOfReading 1y agoArchaeologists generally aren't that computer-savvy. I haven't seen any indications of paint residues on the pillars, but we know that many of the statues in these enclosures were also painted bright colors that would be missed by a digital reconstruction.
- card_zero 1y agoWhat pigments did they have 12 thousand years ago? Only ochre, surely? So rusty red, dirty yellow, nothing else? (Oh, soot black, too.) I'd be interested if there was anything else. I see the boar statue is painted inside its mouth ... with red ochre.
- AlotOfReading 1y agoThe boar was painted with red inside the mouth, and black/white on the hide. Black in the ancient Near East was usually bitumen, though later groups like the Egyptians would switch to manganese dioxide. White was plaster. They also had yellow ochre.
- card_zero 1y agoThe boar's arms are long and skinny and curved, and kind of loosely attached. This culture's art style had a consistent theme of noodle-arms.
- bee_rider 1y ago> Archaeologists generally aren't that computer-savvy. Why throw interdisciplinary shade? > I haven't seen any indications of paint residues on the pillars, but we know that many of the statues in these enclosures were also painted bright colors that would be missed by a digital reconstruction. Wouldn’t a digital reconstruction just have whatever textures were selected? If there’s no indication of paint residues, they can look for other clues of course. But, without any other evidence, what’s the alternative, right? Guessing would be bad, don’t want to mislead people.
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- colechristensen 1y agowhich is just a hallucinated image of a carved face in stone which has no connection to the original besides they both are stones that resemble faces
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- mjd 1y agoThat's impossible, the mirror wasn't invented until millennia later, so there's no way the sculptor would have known what a human face looked like. They must think we're stupid.
- simonh 1y agoWe’ll, that’s me convinced.
- butlike 1y agoAnd how!
- sethammons 1y agoI don't get your joke
- throwmeaway222 1y agoI think he's making fun of historians that have really dumb reasons for declaring human culture is one way or another because of event X but it doesn't pass a sniff test. In this example, mirrors don't need to exist because people can look at other people (or more simply feel their own face). It was a 40% funny joke.
- djmips 1y agodon't forget water and maybe oiled polished obsidian?
- mjd 1y agoNot a bad guess! According to this report on my desk, it is 61%±2% funny.
- throwmeaway222 1y agoI reran the numbers and it did come in at 59.5%
- MomsAVoxell 1y agoThe Tepe sites are really fascinating. Every discovery leads to so many more questions - how did they construct these sites, what were they using some of the structures for, and so on. At Karahan Tepe is the pit full of pillars, with the human-face head on the outer rim .. whenever I see this pit, I get a picture in my mind that the entire site was green and fertile, and this pit was filled with water. It would be the ideal device to teach kids to swim - and so on. It's such a fascinating human discovery - the mind serious wanders. I encourage anyone who is new to this subject to let the imagination run wild. What kinds of people could create these T-shaped pillars, carve them, use them in their building construction .. and then some day, decide to cover it all up with rubble and stone, to be buried for millennia and discovered by some strange, future civilisation. It makes me wonder what, 12,500 years from now, of our own crazy civilisation might be unearthed, and strange new utility assigned to their purposes ..
- itopaloglu83 1y agoTo me, it looks like a festival ground, so I imagine people coming from all directions and multiple nomad tents etc. around it. What makes me wonder is that why did these hills survive, and why are we not finding similar things in north Africa and other civilization cradles. Maybe these were one off sites with limited use and were later just left alone, while anything in Egypt had continuous settlements so things just eroded over time, with the things like pyramids as exceptions.
- alephnerd 1y ago> why did these hills survive Because it's low density arid scrubland that is primarily inhabited by Kurdish and Turkish herders, and was a no-go zone during the PKK Insurgency.
- dismalaf 1y ago> north Africa Possibly covered by the Sahara, or if we're talking along the coast, underwater. Or covered by current settlements. > other civilization cradles. Because people still live there and built on top.
- sethammons 1y agoThese Tepe sites give credence to advanced civilization existing before the last ice age. One example is the mostly dismissed theory of water erosion at the base of the Sphinx, suggesting older civilizations leading up to ancient Egypt. To my understanding, it is mostly dismissed because archaeologists found the idea of something older than the Sphinx to be not possible. Tepe sites challenge this. Wild stuff.
- pwillia7 1y agoI got pretty into this alt archaeology stuff and eventually had to move away from it. I totally agree that the tepes challenge our timeline of when humans made cities and whatnot, but so much of their arguments is the perfect fit of stones or how flat stones are and saying it _must_ be done by modern tools. I think they have left out how much you can get done from a construction standpoint when you have forced labor or no labor rules like we have had for some time now all over the world and especially in the West. When I was first in Delhi and went to the Red Fort, I was shocked when they said they built the whole thing 100s of years ago in 9 years. Think about how long it would take us to build something like this now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Fort https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Fort So, I really want the ancient atlantis civ in the Sahara to be true, but the guy's I've seen promoting this are too removed from the scientific method to really be taken seriously. This guy does some good debunking of a lot of the Netflix/Youtube Alt Archaeology people -- https://www.youtube.com/@miniminuteman773 https://www.youtube.com/@miniminuteman773
- ch4s3 1y ago> challenge our timeline of when humans made cities Do they? We know non-sedentary people in the Americas sometimes built large mounds and extensive fish works.
- pwillia7 1y agoI think it pushed back when humans started building large structures together a few 1000 years. Oddly, there is no evidence of agriculture at Gobekli Tepe https://www.reddit.com/r/Archaeology/comments/kxquwx/is_gobleki_tepe_the_oldest_known_archaeological/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Archaeology/comments/kxquwx/is_gobl...
- phendrenad2 1y agoBy "human face" they mean nose and eyebrow ridge clearly indicating a face, and most likely human.
- ge96 1y agoThe fools! Did they not check between the walls
- stevage 1y ago> The face of the beprenese is located at the top of the Dikili stone; its sharp lines, deep eye sockets and blunt shape nose, and a similar style with human statues found in Karahantepe. This discovery reveals not only the technical mastery of Neolithic people, but also the way he expresses himself and the ability to think abstractly. I don't think we were in any doubt about the ability of people 12,000 years ago to think abstractly.
- IAmBroom 1y agoAssuming, and having proof, are two different things.
- begueradj 1y agoHow a society which is supposed to be of the hunters gatherers era raised such monuments and set up that site?
- anentropic 1y agomaybe they had plenty of leisure time
- holoduke 1y ago12000 years ago is long, but also not very long. Just a few 500 grandfather's ago. Amazing what we achieved in that short timespan.
- candlemas 1y agoKind of looks like the Stonks guy meme.
- numpy-thagoras 1y agoThat reaaally does look like the Stonks guy. Man we haven't change much, have we? :D
- Cthulhu_ 1y agoaka Meme Man. SUCC https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/meme-man https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/meme-man
- stray 1y agopez
- chupchap 1y agoYes, these are faces, but why do they look like pillars to me? Ornamented and sculpted pillars are pretty common across civilizations and I can imagine sloping tent like roof set up that are held up by these pillars. How does one separate a pillar and a obelisk?
- codedokode 1y agoThe age is pretty impressive, also I noticed that Firefox could translate the article without issues using privacy-preserving offline translation. Now nobody will know that I have read the article!
- Cthulhu_ 1y agoExcept that you told on yourself, I know your secret!
- pfdietz 1y agoIt looks like a Carbot Animations character.
- eth0up 1y agoDon't take the following as an obnoxious distraction. I've not fully imbibed the featured article yet, but the entire area (region) is verily a bedlam of magnificence and wonder. Those unfamiliar with Derinkuyu must change this hastily. Do your own research, but please see this image (pardon the url - I've been flagged for... browsing the Internet and can't access it directly): https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fanother-view-of-derinkuyu-a-massive-underground-city-in-v0-lv6lpiyk0g3d1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D640%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D721df6b8258309aab00a64f4a4cc502bc84c85f5&f=1&ipt=342fae63c79f077309eefd2a12a71cf0205ad832a1aef64238efecf8cb58eb4e https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F... And an underground map here: https://www.lolaapp.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/derinkuyu_underground_city_map.jpg https://www.lolaapp.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/derinkuyu... There is/are video/s available and they are more than worth watching. I can't remember how to spell the many other regional wonders, so won't try. Edit: ignore anyone who comes along and tries to dismiss this particular example or the surrounding region as trivial, insignificant etc. Explore for yourself and be rewarded accordingly.
- eth0up 1y agoI'm wondering about the negative reactions to this post. It mystifies me and I don't know whether my fear was correct and there truly is hostility to this subject or it's that some of the readers here are too stupid to recognize my use of the word bedlam as complimentary and take self-righteous pleasure in fighting for some deranged precept of honor. I guess I'll never be certain, as those offended don't have the substance to express their reason. But it does please me that I'm wise enough to treat this place as a den of reptiles. I am right about that much, often enough. PS: Derinkuyu is amazing, reptiles or not. And so is Turkiye
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 1y agoNew guy just dropped
- rao-d 1y agoUm.. Is anyone else seeing what I am seeing
- _def 1y agoWhat are you seeing?
- Electricniko 1y agoHere's another carving from the same site, depicting both what you thought you were seeing and what you were actually seeing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karahan_Tepe#/media/File:Karahan_Tepe_man.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karahan_Tepe#/media/File:Karah...
- Mars008 1y agoI must say translation in Firefox is great. Now I don't have to learn Turkish... As for article, imagine, at those times and for thousands years after in most places humans were still hunting-gathering..
- w10-1 1y agoSorry, but the rectangular eyebrow and nose could just as well be a construction feature - a notch for stabilizing a wall or a beam to the next pillar. Any mouth is too faint.
- Cthulhu_ 1y agoPerhaps, but you'd probably see more of them, then. Plus it'd make more sense if it was the other way around, because gravity.
- gadders 1y agoThis will get Graham Hancock back on Rogan for sure.
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- casey2 1y agoThat's a stretch
- teleforce 1y agoApparently Karahan Tepe is the sister site of the originally discovered Göbekli Tepe, the oldest temple site in world [1]. It's also claimed by some archeologists as the very first site of human civilization [2]. In Göbekli Tepe not only human faces, they are also many stone craving of animals or better known as Noah's Beast [3]. Both historical sites Göbekli Tepe and Karahan Tepe, are not very far from Mount Ararat and Mount Judi, they are within a few hundreds of km in Turkey where Mount Judi is the closer of the two. Mount Ararat is claimed by most Bible scholars as the site of the landing of Noah's Ark after the great flood [4]. According to Quran scholars, however, the actual site of the Noah's Ark resting place is Mount Judi as the word Judi is clearly and specifically mentioned in the Quran in the story of prophet Noah, inside Surah Hud 11:44 [5],[6]. In the Bible however, no exact mention of the name of actual site, and the Mount Ararat is just a mere speculation by the Bible Scholars based on story of legends [4]. [1] Göbekli Tepe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe [2] The Oldest Temple in The World and Its Mistery: https://archaeotravel.eu/the-oldest-temple-in-the-world-and-its-menagerie-2/ https://archaeotravel.eu/the-oldest-temple-in-the-world-and-... [3] Noah's Beasts Released on the Hills of Göbekli Tepe: https://archaeotravel.eu/noahs-beasts-released-on-the-hills-of-gobekli-tep https://archaeotravel.eu/noahs-beasts-released-on-the-hills-... [4] Mount Ararat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Ararat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Ararat [5] Mount Judi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Judi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Judi [6] Surah Hud 11:44: https://quran.com/hud/44 https://quran.com/hud/44 And it was said, “O earth! Swallow up your water. And O sky! Withhold ˹your rain˺.” The floodwater receded and the decree was carried out. The Ark rested on Mount Judi, and it was said, “Away with the wrongdoing people!”