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It's interesting to see how chatgpt is becoming more and more of a starting point of the web exploration, at which they're like, why even bother searching at th

It's interesting to see how chatgpt is becoming more and more of a starting point of the web exploration, at which they're like, why even bother searching at this point, we'll just have default workflows for maps, buy (integration of stripe already marks it), booking airlines etc, which covers so much basic stuff people would do anyways. The biggest bottleneck for this for the past two years imo wasn't the models, but the engineering and infra around it, and the willingness of companies to work with openaio directly. Now that they've grown and have a decent userbase, companies are much more willing to pay/or involve themselves in these efforts. This has eventual implications outside user-heavy internet use (once we see more things built on the SDK), where we're gonna see a fork in the web traffic of human centric workflows through chat, and an seo-filled, chat/agent-optimized web that is only catered to agents. (crossposted)

spullara 1y ago
OpenAI has had this opportunity to do this since their meteoric adoption and fumbled it with plugins and then GPTs. Ironically, Anthropic's MCP could be just the ingredient needed to capture this position.
stackedinserter 1y ago
The main showstopper here is trust. I just can't let anything AI make decisions that have consequences, like spending money, buying anything, planning vacations, flights etc. It's so bad now (I've just tried) that I'm not sure if it will ever gain my trust.
- 3s 1y ago
  not to mention the privacy concerns associated with connecting my entire life to OpenAI or Anthropic. If you have the memory feature enabled, it's scary how much ChatGPT knows about you already and can even infer implicit thoughts and patterns about you as a person.
  - sert_121 1y ago
    I am sure it already knows a lot regardless of the memory feature, as long you're sharing your chat history/ have your history enabled, but I agree, it'd simply worsen it.
- sert_121 1y ago
  I see your point in user trust, and that's fair, but the same concerns have been prevalent since GPT3 rolled out , that no one would trust these tools to write or edit anything. However, since then users are growing to be more and more attuned to filter and distinguish the quality of the responses (doing invisible A/B testing of these responses), so maybe that's what providers want to capitalize on. ChatGPT has become one of the top-most browsed websites, and they want to capitalize on it even if 2% of the people actually trust the new integrations.
- theshrike79 1y ago
  You can build your own system and set the model temperature to 0.0, then it won't guess or be fancy. It'll present the data exactly.
totallymike 1y ago
I dismay at the possibility of this happening. What’s the point of an internet at all if one company controls, filters, and governs our entire usage of it? I understand an argument can be made that google is doing similar, but at least you can still search and end up on an actual site, rather than just play telephone via chatgpt. This concept is horrifying for so many reasons.
- sert_121 1y ago
  I agree with the fact that a monopolized web is not friendlier to anyone. But seeing the trajectories of tech companies in the past decade, the unfortunate north star is distribution and the relentless pursuit of it. Even in that dire circumstance, I wish that the web versions keep up/are maintained, instead of being slowly deprecated, which happened for a lot of mobile-native versions of applications.
- falcor84 1y ago
  > What’s the point of an internet at all Going back to first principles, we need to recall that the internet is for the dissemination of cat pictures, and at the end of the day every technical and organizational change must be analyzed through the lens of its impact on the effective throughput of these pictures.
heavyset_go 1y ago
Just like I won't trust voice assistants to make purchases for me, or make decisions that actually matter, there is no way in hell that I'm letting an LLM be able to charge my credit card, let alone book flights for me lol
- ultrarunner 1y ago
  Think of how much work it'll create to correct these charges. I bet there's application for understanding and issuing refunds & corrections… I suspect our future is going to be a lot more frustrating, both from AI screwups and the atrophied skills of humans
  - heavyset_go 1y ago
    You'll be dealing with AI agents all the way down. A decade ago, I used one of the hotel aggregator sites to reserve rooms for vacation, and as I call the hotel to double check something on my way to the airport, I find out that I don't actually have a reservation and my room is already occupied. They couldn't do anything about it, as it was the 3rd party aggregator's mistake. Just getting the aggregator to admit, that no, even though their system says I have a reservation, the hotel confirmed it didn't exist took over an hour. I had to go through several layers of customer service, and I suspect different call centers, until someone called the hotel themselves and issued a refund. It was miserable and stressful to do from the airport, I would have lost my mind if I had to deal with chatbots for what was already a terrible experience with an automated purchase.
- whazor 1y ago
  As I understand it, ChatGPT loads the app, performs safe actions, but in the end shows you an UI to confirm the purchase.
ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 1y ago
I’m not sure how many people there are like me outside of this website but there’s not a single bone in my body that wants to use AI for these things. Buying plane tickets for example. It’s not even that I don’t trust the AI or that I’m afraid it might make a mistake. I just inherently want to feel like I’m in control of these processes. It’s the same reason I’m more afraid of flying than driving despite flying being a way safer mode of travel. When I’m flying I don’t feel like I’m in control.
- freakynit 1y ago
  Same here. Neither do I trust these tools to be working accurately, nor do I have the patience to wait for them to complete the given task when I ca do that manually 10x faster already.
- tokioyoyo 1y ago
  I have very normie and not-so-normie friends that ask ChatGPT almost anything. My parents consistently make use of it, and they're almost 70, and not that tech-literate. There was a fun release from Anthropic about the type of queries that they're receiving, and code-gen is minority. I think we're, once again, not the average user.
  - OccamsMirror 1y ago
    I wonder how many of those “average users” will actually happily pay what the true cost is though? Are they really getting perceivable value for it or is it just more convenient than present day Google.
    - TheDong 1y ago
      They all pay the price of google (micro-brainwashing by ads to buy things they don't need). I think the average person will happily pay the same price to OpenAI (being micro-brainwashed by the AI to buy things they don't need, i.e. ads). I feel confident OpenAI will be able to charge even more for ads than Google since OpenAI will be able to influence people even more strongly, and hide the ads even better.
nutanc 1y ago
Why would you go inside a chat box and try to force fit applications and show the applications in weird ways and then finally link out to the actual application instead of just putting a chat box inside the application which is the accepted way.
- zer00eyz 1y ago
  Years ago (in the age of flip phones, think pre 2001) I worked at a bank. When we launched our mobile banking platform, one of the PM's there swore up and down that we should be piloting banking by text message. He was fabulously wrong at the time and in the end got a lot of things right. There are a lot of applications that could fit in a text box provided that your not doing the work rather that your delegating it.
- wes-k 1y ago
  If I had a human assistant, I'd ask them to book my flight. The chat box is your window to your AI assistant. Maybe this new assistant hasn't earned your trust yet, but it makes sense that trust-aside, you'd ask your assistant to do whatever they could do for you.
  - nutanc 1y ago
    Right. But my assistant wouldn't show me a new screen and ask me to do things in it :)
    - ares623 1y ago
      It’s an assistant to the assistant
jmspring 1y ago
Searching? Google has become shit and ads.
jimmydoe 1y ago
This is basically Super App, most super apps was based off chat, this one is also chat, except the chat is with AI, or let’s be honest, with millions of dead people or poor workers.

spullara 1y ago

OpenAI has had this opportunity to do this since their meteoric adoption and fumbled it with plugins and then GPTs. Ironically, Anthropic's MCP could be just the ingredient needed to capture this position.

stackedinserter 1y ago

The main showstopper here is trust. I just can't let anything AI make decisions that have consequences, like spending money, buying anything, planning vacations, flights etc. It's so bad now (I've just tried) that I'm not sure if it will ever gain my trust.

3s 1y ago
not to mention the privacy concerns associated with connecting my entire life to OpenAI or Anthropic. If you have the memory feature enabled, it's scary how much ChatGPT knows about you already and can even infer implicit thoughts and patterns about you as a person.
- sert_121 1y ago
  I am sure it already knows a lot regardless of the memory feature, as long you're sharing your chat history/ have your history enabled, but I agree, it'd simply worsen it.
sert_121 1y ago
I see your point in user trust, and that's fair, but the same concerns have been prevalent since GPT3 rolled out , that no one would trust these tools to write or edit anything. However, since then users are growing to be more and more attuned to filter and distinguish the quality of the responses (doing invisible A/B testing of these responses), so maybe that's what providers want to capitalize on. ChatGPT has become one of the top-most browsed websites, and they want to capitalize on it even if 2% of the people actually trust the new integrations.
theshrike79 1y ago
You can build your own system and set the model temperature to 0.0, then it won't guess or be fancy. It'll present the data exactly.

totallymike 1y ago

I dismay at the possibility of this happening. What’s the point of an internet at all if one company controls, filters, and governs our entire usage of it? I understand an argument can be made that google is doing similar, but at least you can still search and end up on an actual site, rather than just play telephone via chatgpt. This concept is horrifying for so many reasons.

sert_121 1y ago
I agree with the fact that a monopolized web is not friendlier to anyone. But seeing the trajectories of tech companies in the past decade, the unfortunate north star is distribution and the relentless pursuit of it. Even in that dire circumstance, I wish that the web versions keep up/are maintained, instead of being slowly deprecated, which happened for a lot of mobile-native versions of applications.
falcor84 1y ago
> What’s the point of an internet at all Going back to first principles, we need to recall that the internet is for the dissemination of cat pictures, and at the end of the day every technical and organizational change must be analyzed through the lens of its impact on the effective throughput of these pictures.

heavyset_go 1y ago

Just like I won't trust voice assistants to make purchases for me, or make decisions that actually matter, there is no way in hell that I'm letting an LLM be able to charge my credit card, let alone book flights for me lol

ultrarunner 1y ago
Think of how much work it'll create to correct these charges. I bet there's application for understanding and issuing refunds & corrections… I suspect our future is going to be a lot more frustrating, both from AI screwups and the atrophied skills of humans
- heavyset_go 1y ago
  You'll be dealing with AI agents all the way down. A decade ago, I used one of the hotel aggregator sites to reserve rooms for vacation, and as I call the hotel to double check something on my way to the airport, I find out that I don't actually have a reservation and my room is already occupied. They couldn't do anything about it, as it was the 3rd party aggregator's mistake. Just getting the aggregator to admit, that no, even though their system says I have a reservation, the hotel confirmed it didn't exist took over an hour. I had to go through several layers of customer service, and I suspect different call centers, until someone called the hotel themselves and issued a refund. It was miserable and stressful to do from the airport, I would have lost my mind if I had to deal with chatbots for what was already a terrible experience with an automated purchase.
whazor 1y ago
As I understand it, ChatGPT loads the app, performs safe actions, but in the end shows you an UI to confirm the purchase.

ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 1y ago

I’m not sure how many people there are like me outside of this website but there’s not a single bone in my body that wants to use AI for these things. Buying plane tickets for example. It’s not even that I don’t trust the AI or that I’m afraid it might make a mistake. I just inherently want to feel like I’m in control of these processes. It’s the same reason I’m more afraid of flying than driving despite flying being a way safer mode of travel. When I’m flying I don’t feel like I’m in control.

freakynit 1y ago
Same here. Neither do I trust these tools to be working accurately, nor do I have the patience to wait for them to complete the given task when I ca do that manually 10x faster already.
tokioyoyo 1y ago
I have very normie and not-so-normie friends that ask ChatGPT almost anything. My parents consistently make use of it, and they're almost 70, and not that tech-literate. There was a fun release from Anthropic about the type of queries that they're receiving, and code-gen is minority. I think we're, once again, not the average user.
- OccamsMirror 1y ago
  I wonder how many of those “average users” will actually happily pay what the true cost is though? Are they really getting perceivable value for it or is it just more convenient than present day Google.
  - TheDong 1y ago
    They all pay the price of google (micro-brainwashing by ads to buy things they don't need). I think the average person will happily pay the same price to OpenAI (being micro-brainwashed by the AI to buy things they don't need, i.e. ads). I feel confident OpenAI will be able to charge even more for ads than Google since OpenAI will be able to influence people even more strongly, and hide the ads even better.

nutanc 1y ago

Why would you go inside a chat box and try to force fit applications and show the applications in weird ways and then finally link out to the actual application instead of just putting a chat box inside the application which is the accepted way.

zer00eyz 1y ago
Years ago (in the age of flip phones, think pre 2001) I worked at a bank. When we launched our mobile banking platform, one of the PM's there swore up and down that we should be piloting banking by text message. He was fabulously wrong at the time and in the end got a lot of things right. There are a lot of applications that could fit in a text box provided that your not doing the work rather that your delegating it.
wes-k 1y ago
If I had a human assistant, I'd ask them to book my flight. The chat box is your window to your AI assistant. Maybe this new assistant hasn't earned your trust yet, but it makes sense that trust-aside, you'd ask your assistant to do whatever they could do for you.
- nutanc 1y ago
  Right. But my assistant wouldn't show me a new screen and ask me to do things in it :)
  - ares623 1y ago
    It’s an assistant to the assistant

jmspring 1y ago

Searching? Google has become shit and ads.

jimmydoe 1y ago

This is basically Super App, most super apps was based off chat, this one is also chat, except the chat is with AI, or let’s be honest, with millions of dead people or poor workers.