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Super impressive that an independent, non-corpo project has gotten this far this quickly.

tracker1 1y ago
Definitely... IF they keep this up, they will be a real contender by the end of 2027. I keep saying I'd like to see a similar push for Servo though... since it's probably the next most feature-rich engine option. It really needs a corresponding browser project to go along side it though, since FF/Mozilla isn't that interested.
- radlad 1y ago
  I believe this would be Verso: https://github.com/versotile-org/verso https://github.com/versotile-org/verso
  - latexr 1y ago
    That repo is a mirror of the GitLab version. https://gitlab.com/verso-browser/verso/ https://gitlab.com/verso-browser/verso/ Seemed to have fairly frequent commits but they abruptly spotted 3 months ago. https://gitlab.com/verso-browser/verso/-/commits/main?ref_type=HEADS https://gitlab.com/verso-browser/verso/-/commits/main?ref_ty...
- fabrice_d 1y ago
  It looks like Amazon has people looking at Servo integration in GTK: https://blogs.gnome.org/nacho/2025/10/01/servo-gtk/ https://blogs.gnome.org/nacho/2025/10/01/servo-gtk/
nicce 1y ago
But how to pass tests securely, is completely different problem. This is conformance testing. But impressive regardless.
- nonethewiser 1y ago
  Can you elaborate? What do you mean by how to pass tests securely? It doesn't read like you mean security tests but otherwise I have no idea what you're talking about.
  - nicce 1y ago
    Conformance testing means that you meet certain specifications. It tells nothing about how you handle data which is different from the specs or random data; or in other words, the root of most security problems.
    - KingLancelot 1y ago
      [dead]
ericmcer 1y ago
It is nuts, when you think about how much a browser does, it is a crazy feat. Just building a good html/css renderer and a JS engine is crazy, but now you are hooked into the ecosystem and at the mercy of whatever comes next. Chrome can push back against proposals but little browsers either use chromium or are basically in a riptide trying to make sure they keep up.
- echelon 1y ago
  The government(s) need to force Google to obey web standards that are set by an industry consortium. One that also has small player participation as a requirement. If Google is strong arming or pushing ahead their own agenda, the standards body should have plenty enough votes to veto. And for teeth, compliance should be a requirement for Google to even be allowed to have its own browser. If they break it, no more browser for Google.
  - supportengineer 1y ago
    The government and most voters don't even know what a file is. They can't even vote in favor of their own basic needs like health care. Do you really think this band of incompetents should be empowered to strangle innovation?
    - echelon 1y ago
      There are plenty of experts in our industry willing to help the government pen regulations. I'd gladly volunteer. Google isn't your friend. If you're a consumer, they're limiting choice. If you're a startup or midcap, they're in your way. I expect startups to out-innovate once the giants get a regulatory buzz cut.
      - throw10920 1y ago
        > There are plenty of experts in our industry willing to help the government pen regulations. I'd gladly volunteer. And there's no way, in general, to differentiate you (who I'm assuming to be a good-intentioned actual-expert) from someone who is either (a) not an expert or (b) not good-intentioned (i.e. a lobbyist) - so this offer is effectively useless, and the more general point of "there are experts that can help" is invalid. I've been thinking about this problem a lot, because it is one that needs to be solved. But it's more complicated than just saying that "experts from the community can offer to help draft regulations" because the problem of how lawmakers can trust those offering help is very difficult. ...and that's assuming that the lawmakers are operating in good faith and accurately representing their constitutents' interests, which there is scientific research[1] that indicates is not true. [1] https://www.scholars.northwestern.edu/en/publications/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and- https://www.scholars.northwestern.edu/en/publications/testin...
ur-whale 1y ago
> Super impressive that an independent, non-corpo project has gotten this far this quickly. Well, it could be that AI actually speeds up development, who knows.
- Valodim 1y ago
  Data so far says that it doesn't https://mikelovesrobots.substack.com/p/wheres-the-shovelware-why-ai-coding https://mikelovesrobots.substack.com/p/wheres-the-shovelware...
didibus 1y ago
Are they really non-corpo? I remember seeing some corpos bankrolling it? And in that sense, is it better than Gecko with firefox, which is non-profit?
- gpvos 1y ago
  I don't remember that; maybe you can look it up? Ladybird is still far from usable or fast enough to even start comparing it to Gecko.
  - didibus 1y ago
    It says here: https://ladybird.org/#sponsors https://ladybird.org/#sponsors Shopify, CloudFlare, and others.
    - gpvos 1y ago
      Okay. Seems more diversified than Mozilla at least, with its huge dependency on Google's search bar.
xaxaxa123 1y ago
cloudflare is sponsoring. says it all.
- EgregiousCube 1y ago
  What does that say?
  - dimator 1y ago
    It says that there's funding, which goes much further than hobbyists could.
ac29 1y ago
I know what you meant by "non corpo", but the Ladybird organization is literally a corporation: https://ladybird.org/assets/documents/public-records/2024-03-20-certified-articles-of-incorporation.pdf https://ladybird.org/assets/documents/public-records/2024-03...
- culi 1y ago
  A nonprofit corporation

Definitely... IF they keep this up, they will be a real contender by the end of 2027. I keep saying I'd like to see a similar push for Servo though... since it's probably the next most feature-rich engine option. It really needs a corresponding browser project to go along side it though, since FF/Mozilla isn't that interested.

radlad 1y ago
I believe this would be Verso: https://github.com/versotile-org/verso https://github.com/versotile-org/verso
- latexr 1y ago
  That repo is a mirror of the GitLab version. https://gitlab.com/verso-browser/verso/ https://gitlab.com/verso-browser/verso/ Seemed to have fairly frequent commits but they abruptly spotted 3 months ago. https://gitlab.com/verso-browser/verso/-/commits/main?ref_type=HEADS https://gitlab.com/verso-browser/verso/-/commits/main?ref_ty...
fabrice_d 1y ago
It looks like Amazon has people looking at Servo integration in GTK: https://blogs.gnome.org/nacho/2025/10/01/servo-gtk/ https://blogs.gnome.org/nacho/2025/10/01/servo-gtk/

nicce 1y ago

But how to pass tests securely, is completely different problem. This is conformance testing. But impressive regardless.

nonethewiser 1y ago
Can you elaborate? What do you mean by how to pass tests securely? It doesn't read like you mean security tests but otherwise I have no idea what you're talking about.
- nicce 1y ago
  Conformance testing means that you meet certain specifications. It tells nothing about how you handle data which is different from the specs or random data; or in other words, the root of most security problems.
  - KingLancelot 1y ago
    [dead]

ericmcer 1y ago

It is nuts, when you think about how much a browser does, it is a crazy feat. Just building a good html/css renderer and a JS engine is crazy, but now you are hooked into the ecosystem and at the mercy of whatever comes next. Chrome can push back against proposals but little browsers either use chromium or are basically in a riptide trying to make sure they keep up.

echelon 1y ago
The government(s) need to force Google to obey web standards that are set by an industry consortium. One that also has small player participation as a requirement. If Google is strong arming or pushing ahead their own agenda, the standards body should have plenty enough votes to veto. And for teeth, compliance should be a requirement for Google to even be allowed to have its own browser. If they break it, no more browser for Google.
- supportengineer 1y ago
  The government and most voters don't even know what a file is. They can't even vote in favor of their own basic needs like health care. Do you really think this band of incompetents should be empowered to strangle innovation?
  - echelon 1y ago
    There are plenty of experts in our industry willing to help the government pen regulations. I'd gladly volunteer. Google isn't your friend. If you're a consumer, they're limiting choice. If you're a startup or midcap, they're in your way. I expect startups to out-innovate once the giants get a regulatory buzz cut.
    - throw10920 1y ago
      > There are plenty of experts in our industry willing to help the government pen regulations. I'd gladly volunteer. And there's no way, in general, to differentiate you (who I'm assuming to be a good-intentioned actual-expert) from someone who is either (a) not an expert or (b) not good-intentioned (i.e. a lobbyist) - so this offer is effectively useless, and the more general point of "there are experts that can help" is invalid. I've been thinking about this problem a lot, because it is one that needs to be solved. But it's more complicated than just saying that "experts from the community can offer to help draft regulations" because the problem of how lawmakers can trust those offering help is very difficult. ...and that's assuming that the lawmakers are operating in good faith and accurately representing their constitutents' interests, which there is scientific research[1] that indicates is not true. [1] https://www.scholars.northwestern.edu/en/publications/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and- https://www.scholars.northwestern.edu/en/publications/testin...

ur-whale 1y ago

> Super impressive that an independent, non-corpo project has gotten this far this quickly. Well, it could be that AI actually speeds up development, who knows.

Valodim 1y ago
Data so far says that it doesn't https://mikelovesrobots.substack.com/p/wheres-the-shovelware-why-ai-coding https://mikelovesrobots.substack.com/p/wheres-the-shovelware...

didibus 1y ago

Are they really non-corpo? I remember seeing some corpos bankrolling it? And in that sense, is it better than Gecko with firefox, which is non-profit?

gpvos 1y ago
I don't remember that; maybe you can look it up? Ladybird is still far from usable or fast enough to even start comparing it to Gecko.
- didibus 1y ago
  It says here: https://ladybird.org/#sponsors https://ladybird.org/#sponsors Shopify, CloudFlare, and others.
  - gpvos 1y ago
    Okay. Seems more diversified than Mozilla at least, with its huge dependency on Google's search bar.

xaxaxa123 1y ago

cloudflare is sponsoring. says it all.

EgregiousCube 1y ago
What does that say?
- dimator 1y ago
  It says that there's funding, which goes much further than hobbyists could.

ac29 1y ago

I know what you meant by "non corpo", but the Ladybird organization is literally a corporation: https://ladybird.org/assets/documents/public-records/2024-03-20-certified-articles-of-incorporation.pdf https://ladybird.org/assets/documents/public-records/2024-03...

culi 1y ago
A nonprofit corporation