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That's nice, but https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45440117 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45440117 (also from today) isn't very nice.

archerx 1y ago
It was the best of times and it was the worst of times...
cess11 1y ago
They announced a price hike recently, and now this. I might not feel like renewing my license in a few months, actually.
- mikece 1y ago
  I keep expecting them to be acquired by someone... with Microsoft being the most logical acquirer so they can go platform independent and shut down Visual Studio (finally).
  - hu3 1y ago
    Microsoft Rider would be welcome. Visual Studio still would still be kept on mantainance mode for 10 to 20 years because of there's so much critical enterprise infrastructure that depends on it.
    - reactordev 1y ago
      As more of that migrates to DotNet Core, it’s less and less reliant on Visual Studio (the behemoth).
  - shagie 1y ago
    It's a bit harder to acquire a profitable company that isn't publicly traded and wasn't VC funded ( Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help (2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25466304 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25466304 ).
charlie0 1y ago
I find our community's take on paying for IDEs interesting. We're now willing to pay 20, 100, 200 USD a month for AI subscriptions, but wince at paying that for IDEs that clearly add value and also save time. I'm also frugal, but Jetbrain IDEs have been easily one of the best investments I've made for dev tools.
- reactordev 1y ago
  Agreed. We used to balk at $300/yr subscription but here we are forking over almost that much a month. Granted, I’m more diverse with AI than without it but still. I’m with you, best subscription I ever made.
- echelon 1y ago
  I was puzzled by that at first, but I think it makes sense if you think about it this way: we made the IDE work (including all the magical AST transformations), but the AI does work on our behalf.
- zdragnar 1y ago
  Paying for an IDE is fine. Letting them train their AI on your code isn't. I don't have the rights to give access to third parties. What I'm working on isn't even anything special, but that doesn't change the fact that I don't have permission to give JB access to it. Edit: I misread the non-commercial bit. Regardless, I making it opt-in by default is scummy, imho.
  - tehbeard 1y ago
    How much do you trust them to keep it to "just" non-commercial though...
joshstrange 1y ago
A big fuss about nothing. If you don’t pay for the IDE they will train on your data unless you opt-out and they will ask you if you want to opt-out _before_ they collect any data (on first launch after the update). If you have a subscription then it’s opt-in. That seems perfectly reasonable.
- sschueller 1y ago
  If you ask if you want to opt-out, then why isn't it opt-in which would be the definition of that...
  - joshstrange 1y ago
    Because they know, like everyone else, that opt-out results in more people not opting out. Again, this is for the people using JetBrains IDEs for _free_. You can pay for a subscription and it becomes opt-in. I think it's completely reasonable for it to be opt-out or even required for the free product. Giving non-paying people a choice is a step above what I feel they are required to do (morally, ethically, etc).
- hbogert 1y ago
  > A big fuss about nothing. If you don’t pay for the IDE they will train on your data unless you opt-out and they will ask you if you want to opt-out _before_ they collect any data (on first launch after the update). Not sure what I'm missing with spacemacs + LSP compared to vscode. (Spac)emacs does not train on my data. I don't pay for spacemacs.

archerx 1y ago

It was the best of times and it was the worst of times...

cess11 1y ago

They announced a price hike recently, and now this. I might not feel like renewing my license in a few months, actually.

mikece 1y ago
I keep expecting them to be acquired by someone... with Microsoft being the most logical acquirer so they can go platform independent and shut down Visual Studio (finally).
- hu3 1y ago
  Microsoft Rider would be welcome. Visual Studio still would still be kept on mantainance mode for 10 to 20 years because of there's so much critical enterprise infrastructure that depends on it.
  - reactordev 1y ago
    As more of that migrates to DotNet Core, it’s less and less reliant on Visual Studio (the behemoth).
- shagie 1y ago
  It's a bit harder to acquire a profitable company that isn't publicly traded and wasn't VC funded ( Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help (2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25466304 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25466304 ).

charlie0 1y ago

I find our community's take on paying for IDEs interesting. We're now willing to pay 20, 100, 200 USD a month for AI subscriptions, but wince at paying that for IDEs that clearly add value and also save time. I'm also frugal, but Jetbrain IDEs have been easily one of the best investments I've made for dev tools.

reactordev 1y ago
Agreed. We used to balk at $300/yr subscription but here we are forking over almost that much a month. Granted, I’m more diverse with AI than without it but still. I’m with you, best subscription I ever made.
echelon 1y ago
I was puzzled by that at first, but I think it makes sense if you think about it this way: we made the IDE work (including all the magical AST transformations), but the AI does work on our behalf.
zdragnar 1y ago
Paying for an IDE is fine. Letting them train their AI on your code isn't. I don't have the rights to give access to third parties. What I'm working on isn't even anything special, but that doesn't change the fact that I don't have permission to give JB access to it. Edit: I misread the non-commercial bit. Regardless, I making it opt-in by default is scummy, imho.
- tehbeard 1y ago
  How much do you trust them to keep it to "just" non-commercial though...

joshstrange 1y ago

A big fuss about nothing. If you don’t pay for the IDE they will train on your data unless you opt-out and they will ask you if you want to opt-out _before_ they collect any data (on first launch after the update). If you have a subscription then it’s opt-in. That seems perfectly reasonable.

sschueller 1y ago
If you ask if you want to opt-out, then why isn't it opt-in which would be the definition of that...
- joshstrange 1y ago
  Because they know, like everyone else, that opt-out results in more people not opting out. Again, this is for the people using JetBrains IDEs for _free_. You can pay for a subscription and it becomes opt-in. I think it's completely reasonable for it to be opt-out or even required for the free product. Giving non-paying people a choice is a step above what I feel they are required to do (morally, ethically, etc).
hbogert 1y ago
> A big fuss about nothing. If you don’t pay for the IDE they will train on your data unless you opt-out and they will ask you if you want to opt-out _before_ they collect any data (on first launch after the update). Not sure what I'm missing with spacemacs + LSP compared to vscode. (Spac)emacs does not train on my data. I don't pay for spacemacs.