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Nice. The iPads generally measure around ~8% slower than the MacBooks, I guess for cooling reasons. So we should see approximately a 4400 single core Geekbenc
by bhouston 1y ago
Nice. The iPads generally measure around ~8% slower than the MacBooks, I guess for cooling reasons. So we should see approximately a 4400 single core Geekbench score for the MacBook series. This is nice.
Single thread MacBook progression on Geekbench:
M1: 2350
M2: 2600
M3: 3100
M4: 3850
M5: 4400 (estimated)
https://browser.geekbench.com/mac-benchmarks https://browser.geekbench.com/mac-benchmarks
- TrainedMonkey 1y agoI think we will land around 4300. On paper N3P is 5-10% more transistors and 5-10% more efficiency. Naively this puts the perf lift range from 10.25% (1.05 * 1.05) to 21% (1.10 * 1.10). 4300 would be around halfway estimate. Gains in iPhone and iPads perf are heavily supported by new cooling tech. When compared to iPhones and iPads, Macbook Pros are much less thermally constrained and M5 Macbooks are keeping M4 design. TL:DR I expect a smaller MBP M4 to M5 pop compared to iPads M4 vs M5 because the latter are benefiting from new cooling tech.
- eek2121 1y agoKeep in mind that a big part of the huge jump in recent chips was that GB6 added support for SME, and to my knowledge, no app uses SME as of yet. GB5 is a better benchmark for all these chips for this reason. The actual IPC increase and perf/clock of these chips excluding SME specific acceleration is MUCH smaller.
- bhouston 1y agoI've benchmarked these myself on things like my project's build time on M1, M2 and M3 and I did see similar gains. So I disagree from experience.
- aurareturn 1y agoSME is just the AMX coprocessor that’s been in Apple chips since 2019. SME made it easier to target the AMX. But it’s been in use and available to developers since 2019.
- wmf 1y agoThe point stands that virtually no apps used AMX (either directly or through a framework).
- GeekyBear 1y ago> The point stands that virtually no apps used AMX (either directly or through a framework). AMX has been present in every M series chip and the A series chips starting with the A13. If you are comparing M series chip scores in Geekbench 6 they are all using it, not just the latest ones. Any app using Apple's Accelerate framework will take advantage of it.
- sgerenser 1y agoThis isn’t true, I don’t believe GeekBench ever made use of AMX. They do use SME on any Arm-based platform that has it, which up until extremely recently has only been Apple.
- tcdent 1y agoThird-party apps sure, but you can guarantee Apple is taking advantage of it fully with any of their work.
- astafrig 1y agoIncluding in authoring all their other frameworks, which are used by many, many apps.
- sgerenser 1y agoSimilar, but not the same. SME is much more powerful than AMX on the pre-M4 cores, and software can target it directly instead of using Apples frameworks. Which means that software is more likely to actually use it (eventually), even if hardly anything does now.
- gilgoomesh 1y agoI'm not sure what you're talking about. Any app compiled using LLVM 17 (2023) can use SME directly and any app that uses Apple's Accelerate framework automatically takes advantage of SME since iOS 18/macOS 15 last year.
- saagarjha 1y agoMost apps do not use Apple’s Accelerate framework.
- svantana 1y agoWhat do you base this on? I use it in all my products and I don't see why any performance-sensitive dev outfit wouldn't at least consider using it.
- saagarjha 1y agoMost dev outfits are not performance-sensitive
- mpweiher 1y agoThe the whole benchmark discussion becomes moot, doesn't it?
- saagarjha 1y agoBenchmarking a processor for real-world usage is definitely something you can do.
- danielheath 1y agoBenchmarking a processor for "app written by someone who disregards performance" is something you can do, but it's a bit of a pointless exercise; no processor will ever keep up with developers ability to write slow code.
- Choco31415 1y agoHere’s the multi core Geekbench progression: M1: 8350 M2: 9700 M3: 11650 M4: 14600 M5: 16650 (estimated) This is assuming an 8% uplift as mentioned. Also nice.
- bhouston 1y agoWill the base core count and mix between perf and efficient cores remain the same? That has lead to different scaling factors for the multicore performance than the single core metrics.
- zamadatix 1y agoPossibly, at least compared to the previous M4 generation. For the lowest tier M models to this point: M1 (any): 4P + 4E M2 (any): 4P + 4E M3 (any): 4P + 4E M4 (iPad): 3P + 6E M4 (Mac): 4P + 6E M5 (iPad): 3P + 6E (claimed) M5 (Mac): Unknown It's worth noting there are often higher tier models that still don't earn the "Pro" moniker. E.g. there is a 4P + 8E variant of the iMac which is still marketed as just having a normal M4.
- AtlasBarfed 1y agoAre these cores getting way more complex? Because there should be room for 2x - 3x as many cores with die shrinks at this point.
- astrange 1y agoIf you get more space, you need a really good reason not to use that space on more cache. Also, the size numbers are lies and aren't the actual size of anything.
- zamadatix 1y agoThe die shrinks are less than the marketing numbers would make you believe, but the cores are getting significantly more complex. I think E cores had a 50% cache increase this generation, as an example. The above summary also excludes the GPU, which seems to have gotten the most attention this generation (~+30%, even more in AI workloads).
- porphyra 1y agoNice. Lots of people still claim that M1 is super duper fast but now we're at almost twice the performance!
- mpalmer 1y agoM1 is still fast, the speed of its successors does not change that.
- steve_adams_86 1y agoI use one for software development and it's great. Sometimes rust builds are slow and I'd love to force that to be faster with hardware (optimizing build time would be a huge undertaking with not-so-great returns), otherwise I'm totally content. I also have an M2 Max with 32GB of RAM that still feels like magic. I've never had computers that felt so fast for so long.
- pylotlight 1y agoI dunno, working with M1 daily I struggle with resource contention and slow py/js builds. I'd love something faster when work provides me with updated device.
- dontdoxxme 1y agoSounds like you need to spend some time optimising your build. Faster hardware just makes developers lazy. I'm still on an M1 and it's fine, although I do have 32GB.
- dangus 1y agoTo be fair, for all you know they’re building something pretty crazy that justifies high resource consumption. Faster hardware doesn’t exclusively make developers lazy, it also opens up capability.
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- Reason077 1y agoHere's the comparison between the M4 iPad Pro and the M5: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/compare/14173685?baseline=14173690 https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/compare/14173685?baseli... About 10% faster for single-core and 16% faster for multi-core compared to the M4. The iPad M5 has the same number of cores and the same clock speed as the M4, but has increased the RAM from 8GB to 12GB.
- sgerenser 1y agoM4 iPads with the top two storage tiers (1 or 2 TB) already come with 12 GB. Maybe they’re changing to all having 12GB though, who knows.
- AtlasBarfed 1y agoAre macs still committing highway robbery in storage and ram costs?
- mrheosuper 1y agoAll the pro iphone has 12gb of ram now, so it's safe to assume all pro ipad will have the same amount of ram.
- gigatexal 1y agoAmazing. Thanks for the comparison to the older gen. Here’s hoping the chips they put in the Airs can get more than 32 maybe even 64GB of ram
- dwd 1y agoBetween personal and home, I've had a: M1 (16Gb) M1 Pro (16Gb) M2 Pro (16Gb) M3 Pro (32Gb) M4 Air (24Gb) Currently switch between the M2 Pro and the M4 Air, and the Air is noticeable snappier in everyday tasks. The 17' M3 Pro is the faster machine, but I prefer not to lug it around all day, so it gets left home and occasionally used by the wife.
- ulfw 1y agoWhat is a 17' M3 Pro?
- bigiain 1y agoA 17 foot tall MacBook, which was Steve's original vision sketched on a napkin. Not the 17 inch tall one they built and put on stage for the MacWorld keynote speech - that was in danger of being trod upon by a dwarf.
- bigyabai 1y agoWas a great speech nonetheless. Shame about what happened to the drummer though. Best leave it unsolved, really.
- filoleg 1y agoAlmost certain it is just a 16in M3 Pro, but mistyped.