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Denmark bans civil drones after more sightings

57 points by rntn 1y ago

coolspot 1y ago
For five days from Monday till Friday, while they host some VIP international guests.
- l5870uoo9y 1y ago
  They could also have added this to the headline to make it more informative.
  - duxup 1y ago
    The news site yes. Otherwise HN rules are you have to add the exact article title to your submission, only exception is if it is too long.
    - scandinavian 1y ago
      > Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I think a case can be made for it being slightly misleading. Also there is not mention of title length that I can see.
      - defrost 1y ago
        Length is enforced when submitting; titles that are too long generate a message about how many characters they are too long by and the [Submit] button is invalidated until shortened.
demarq 1y ago
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- alephnerd 1y ago
  Barely 2 weeks, Russian drones violated both Polish and Romanian airspace amidst the Zapad military exercises (which themselves were the precursor to the Russian invasion of Ukraine). There has also been a surge in hybrid attacks linked to Russian intelligence within Europe since the Russian invasion of Ukraine began [0][1]. As such, it is a relevant question to ask. [0] - https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-europe-hybrid-campaign-d61887dd3ec6151adf354c5bd3e6273e https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-europe-hybrid-... [1] - https://investigations.news-exchange.ebu.ch/playing-with-fire-are-russias-hybrid-attacks-the-new-european-war/ https://investigations.news-exchange.ebu.ch/playing-with-fir...
  - demarq 1y ago
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    - alephnerd 1y ago
      You asked. I answered. I never said you shouldn't ask.
      - demarq 1y ago
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        rkomorn 1y ago
        Not OP, but I don't get what part of their comment makes it clear that asking is not okay.
        demarq 1y ago
        I see, here is the line > As such, it is a relevant question to ask.
        1y ago
tehjoker 1y ago
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AlecSchueler 1y ago
Does anyone else feel like there are actors now trying to manufacture consent for a war with Russia? For as long as I can remember there have been things like fighter jets at the borders and we scramble ours to intercept etc, and before Russian media was blocked here they used to report the we were regularly doing the same. It was never really headline news, even after the war in Ukraine really got going But now that the US has become an unreliable partner and the EU is talking about the need for increased cooperation suddenly they exact same stories become big news and ministers use it as examples of our complacency, when two years ago they would have said it's nothing to worry about. And indeed now I see it shared all over social media with more and more "people" calling for harder responses, a single EU military, even outright declarations of war against Russia.
- alephnerd 1y ago
  > For as long as I can remember there have been things like fighter jets at the borders and we scramble ours to intercept Russian air assets never crossed NATO airspace until this September, and the last time the Zapad exercises were held, Ukraine was invaded within months. As such, most European nations are on extreme edge right now for a possible escalation.
  - AlecSchueler 1y ago
    > Russian air assets never crossed NATO airspace until this September. Yes, they had. ACLED reports[0] that it occurred 50 times since 2022, and 4 of them had already been in Poland. It just never became a huge news piece until September, that's exactly what I mean. 0: https://acleddata.com/expert-comment/acled-data-show-least-50-instances-airspace-violations-countries-ukraines-western https://acleddata.com/expert-comment/acled-data-show-least-5...
    - alephnerd 1y ago
      From the ACLE: "mostly crashes of Russian and Ukrainian stray drones and missiles" The recent incident in Poland and Romania was drones that were not strays or crashes.
sxp 1y ago
There is a strong chance that there are no actual "drones" involved and these sightings are just due to random people mistaking airplanes as drones/UFOs: https://x.com/MickWest/status/1971656713230270794 https://x.com/MickWest/status/1971656713230270794 When people have analyzed the flight logs, the sightings match with known planes: https://x.com/ThomasH_Synth/status/1972236703864586463 https://x.com/ThomasH_Synth/status/1972236703864586463 https://x.com/MickWest https://x.com/MickWest is a good source to follow since he and others are willing to actually track down the data related to UFOs.
- procaryote 1y ago
  Some actual drones have been involved as they showed up enough to shut down an airport. I imagine there are lots of false positives too, but they're not all false
- abujazar 1y ago
  It's not just Denmark, drones have been sighted at multiple Norwegian airports as well, including confirmed sightings by both police and air force at the main air base in Ørland. (Source in Norwegian, https://www.nrk.no/trondelag/etterforsker-mulig-droneaktivitet-ved-hovedflystasjonen-1.17588648 https://www.nrk.no/trondelag/etterforsker-mulig-droneaktivit...)
  - ottah 1y ago
    In my opinion you really have to be skeptical. Its always possible drone reports are real, but also citings tend to cluster, and there is rarely anything outside of eyewitness reports. Humans are very bad at judging the size and distance of objects in the air, and a flying drone is much harder to spot than people actually imagine. But there is incentives to the state overacting to drone citings, if you're interested in keeping cameras out of public spaces.
- askonomm 1y ago
  Yet we keep finding actual Russian drones/parts of their drones in Estonia.
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stefantalpalaru 1y ago
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Animats 1y ago
Just for a few days, for a big EU meeting.
PicassoCTs 1y ago
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57 points by rntn 1y ago

coolspot 1y ago

For five days from Monday till Friday, while they host some VIP international guests.

l5870uoo9y 1y ago
They could also have added this to the headline to make it more informative.
- duxup 1y ago
  The news site yes. Otherwise HN rules are you have to add the exact article title to your submission, only exception is if it is too long.
  - scandinavian 1y ago
    > Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I think a case can be made for it being slightly misleading. Also there is not mention of title length that I can see.
    - defrost 1y ago
      Length is enforced when submitting; titles that are too long generate a message about how many characters they are too long by and the [Submit] button is invalidated until shortened.

demarq 1y ago

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alephnerd 1y ago
Barely 2 weeks, Russian drones violated both Polish and Romanian airspace amidst the Zapad military exercises (which themselves were the precursor to the Russian invasion of Ukraine). There has also been a surge in hybrid attacks linked to Russian intelligence within Europe since the Russian invasion of Ukraine began [0][1]. As such, it is a relevant question to ask. [0] - https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-europe-hybrid-campaign-d61887dd3ec6151adf354c5bd3e6273e https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-europe-hybrid-... [1] - https://investigations.news-exchange.ebu.ch/playing-with-fire-are-russias-hybrid-attacks-the-new-european-war/ https://investigations.news-exchange.ebu.ch/playing-with-fir...
- demarq 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - alephnerd 1y ago
    You asked. I answered. I never said you shouldn't ask.
    - demarq 1y ago
      [flagged]
      - rkomorn 1y ago
        Not OP, but I don't get what part of their comment makes it clear that asking is not okay.
        demarq 1y ago
        I see, here is the line > As such, it is a relevant question to ask.
        1y ago

tehjoker 1y ago

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AlecSchueler 1y ago

Does anyone else feel like there are actors now trying to manufacture consent for a war with Russia? For as long as I can remember there have been things like fighter jets at the borders and we scramble ours to intercept etc, and before Russian media was blocked here they used to report the we were regularly doing the same. It was never really headline news, even after the war in Ukraine really got going But now that the US has become an unreliable partner and the EU is talking about the need for increased cooperation suddenly they exact same stories become big news and ministers use it as examples of our complacency, when two years ago they would have said it's nothing to worry about. And indeed now I see it shared all over social media with more and more "people" calling for harder responses, a single EU military, even outright declarations of war against Russia.

alephnerd 1y ago
> For as long as I can remember there have been things like fighter jets at the borders and we scramble ours to intercept Russian air assets never crossed NATO airspace until this September, and the last time the Zapad exercises were held, Ukraine was invaded within months. As such, most European nations are on extreme edge right now for a possible escalation.
- AlecSchueler 1y ago
  > Russian air assets never crossed NATO airspace until this September. Yes, they had. ACLED reports[0] that it occurred 50 times since 2022, and 4 of them had already been in Poland. It just never became a huge news piece until September, that's exactly what I mean. 0: https://acleddata.com/expert-comment/acled-data-show-least-50-instances-airspace-violations-countries-ukraines-western https://acleddata.com/expert-comment/acled-data-show-least-5...
  - alephnerd 1y ago
    From the ACLE: "mostly crashes of Russian and Ukrainian stray drones and missiles" The recent incident in Poland and Romania was drones that were not strays or crashes.

sxp 1y ago

There is a strong chance that there are no actual "drones" involved and these sightings are just due to random people mistaking airplanes as drones/UFOs: https://x.com/MickWest/status/1971656713230270794 https://x.com/MickWest/status/1971656713230270794 When people have analyzed the flight logs, the sightings match with known planes: https://x.com/ThomasH_Synth/status/1972236703864586463 https://x.com/ThomasH_Synth/status/1972236703864586463 https://x.com/MickWest https://x.com/MickWest is a good source to follow since he and others are willing to actually track down the data related to UFOs.

procaryote 1y ago
Some actual drones have been involved as they showed up enough to shut down an airport. I imagine there are lots of false positives too, but they're not all false
abujazar 1y ago
It's not just Denmark, drones have been sighted at multiple Norwegian airports as well, including confirmed sightings by both police and air force at the main air base in Ørland. (Source in Norwegian, https://www.nrk.no/trondelag/etterforsker-mulig-droneaktivitet-ved-hovedflystasjonen-1.17588648 https://www.nrk.no/trondelag/etterforsker-mulig-droneaktivit...)
- ottah 1y ago
  In my opinion you really have to be skeptical. Its always possible drone reports are real, but also citings tend to cluster, and there is rarely anything outside of eyewitness reports. Humans are very bad at judging the size and distance of objects in the air, and a flying drone is much harder to spot than people actually imagine. But there is incentives to the state overacting to drone citings, if you're interested in keeping cameras out of public spaces.
askonomm 1y ago
Yet we keep finding actual Russian drones/parts of their drones in Estonia.
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stefantalpalaru 1y ago

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Animats 1y ago

Just for a few days, for a big EU meeting.

PicassoCTs 1y ago

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