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Israel took control of Gaza cellphones to stream PM Netanyahu's UN Speech live
- pedalpete 1y agoI'd like more details. Did they really hack the phones? Or use the towers to call the phones with a message. Hacking every cellphone sounds unrealistic. Making a call to every phone connected to a tower sounds plausible.
- ranger_danger 1y agoOr possibly they hacked (or stole credentials for) the switch/tower gear in order to send those calls/messages.
- pedalpete 1y agoThis is more along the lines of what I was suggesting
- SPCECDET 1y agoIs it really unrealistic though? Considering Israeli Pegasus spyware alone? Honest question.
- bigyabai 1y agoPegasus is just the commercial stuff, too. The IDF certainly has it's own panoply of exploits/payloads in addition to their profoundly privileged CIA access.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 1y agoKind of. Not because it would be impossible, although the "every phone" is a bit of a stretch given how hard it would be to build an exploit that reliably works on all the messed up versions of Android that vendors put out. But because if you had a capability like this, you wouldn't burn several full exploit chains just to broadcast a speech. Doing something on the network side (either compromising existing infrastructure, simply being the infrastructure provider, or providing fake base stations) and then simply calling each phone - sure. Pushing emergency alert cell broadcast messages with a link to the stream - sure. Actually exploiting the phones? Nah.
- tarwich 1y agoThis. How can you know you hacked EVERY phone. I have friends with flip phones (no screen). There must be at least a small amount of optimistic thinking here. IMHO someone was likely given a task such as "disseminate the message to 100% of the population" and they found a way to claim they accomplished the task (with reasonable credibility).
- Findecanor 1y agoI think it is more likely that the Israeli government would have abused Gaza's wireless emergency alert system to send a link to a live stream to every cell phone. AFAIK, emergency alert systems are limited to text messages but smartphones will recognise URLs to allow users to tap to open them. But a user would have needed to actively tap on the link to open the stream.
- lexarflash8g 1y agoYeah my initial thought would be it sends something like a Amber alert with messages -- a bit stretch of the truth
- Theodores 1y agoIn the UK we recently had a test of the emergency alert system. Most people had an alarm and a message on screen, with phones locked. There were a few incidents of motorists ending up in road traffic accidents in the immediate aftermath, and some phones reportedly spoke the announcement rather than just beep loudly. Since the 'beep' is just an audio file, my hunch is that some A/B testing was going on, with most people getting the 'beep' and some getting the message read out. I imagine that broadcast capability is fully built in, so that mobile phones can replace what we had in the olden days when the government could take over the TV and radio to broadcast whatever they thought was important. I can't remember the last time that the U.S. President spoke to the people in this way, but it used to be fairly common. I don't think that calling every phone is plausible. In a competitive telecoms market, no provider would build that out. Instead they would keep capacity just above what they know is needed on a daily basis.
- g-b-r 1y ago> some phones reportedly spoke the announcement rather than just beep loudly. Reportedly, some phones have a setting to toggle TTS for emergency alerts...
- geoah 1y ago^ this. Most likely just an accessibility setting. UK's emergency alert system [1] is based on SMS-CB [2] so it's just test based. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Emergency_Alert_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Emergency_Alert_System 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_Broadcast https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_Broadcast
- cluckindan 1y agoIf true, the tech requirements imply they could do this in any other country, or worldwide.
- r00fus 1y agoIf true...
- gnabgib 1y agoBetter coverage from: AP https://apnews.com/article/un-general-assembly-israel-netanyahu-speech-e53eee3b76dfa568e03ac584e46991a5 https://apnews.com/article/un-general-assembly-israel-netany... NBC https://www.nbcnews.com/video/shorts/israel-pm-says-they-used-phones-in-gaza-to-stream-speech-248417861598 https://www.nbcnews.com/video/shorts/israel-pm-says-they-use... (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45387273 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45387273)
- margalabargala 1y agoFrom the AP: > The prime minister’s office also claimed that the Israeli army had taken over mobile phones in Gaza to broadcast his message, though AP journalists inside Gaza saw no immediate evidence of Netanyahu’s speech being broadcast on phones there.
- DoctorOW 1y ago"Those who do not will be hunted" just feels gross. There's something sinister there
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- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> It was the largest genocide against Jews since the Holocaust Is genocide now basically hate crime in American English? Was Osama bin Laden bent on genocide? Does the Westborough Baptist Church have genocidal aims against the gay community?
- 0ct4via 1y ago"After the deadly offensive by Hamas against Israel in October 2023, Ismail Haniyeh, who replaced Mashaal as head of the Hamas political bureau in exile, again invoked religious rhetoric. “Today, the enemy has had a political, military, intelligence, security and moral defeat inflicted upon it, and we shall crown it, with the grace of God, with a crushing defeat that will expel it from our lands, our holy city of al Quds, our al Aqsa mosque, and the release of our prisoners from the jails of the Zionist occupation,” he said." [1] Excerpts from the Hamas Covenant [1]: "Article 8: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes." "Article 15: The day that enemies usurp part of Muslim land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Muslim. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised." Hamas' *literal* goal is the extermination of Jews and the Jewish people. That's literally genocide.[2][3] [1] https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/doctrine-hamas https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/doctrine-hamas [2] https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/genocide https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/englis... [3] https://opil.ouplaw.com/display/10.1093/law:epil/9780199231690/law-9780199231690-e804 https://opil.ouplaw.com/display/10.1093/law:epil/97801992316... ...now don't get me wrong — I don't side with Netanyahu or what his government have been doing — but that doesn't change the fact that Hamas' goal is the eradication of the only Jewish state in the world, and it's people — actual genocide. The attacks on October 7, 2023 were much more than a "hate crime" as you mistakenly claim... and your whataboutism is just immature, and isn't conducive to actual discourse.
- jsbisviewtiful 1y agoAxios reported this claim and also reported there have been no verified examples of a phone receiving the broadcast as of an hour ago. https://www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-pm-76a155d0-9b02-11f0-b07e-3bb2ceee9509.html?stream=top https://www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-pm-76a155d0-9b02-11f...
- _dke7 1y agoIsrael often imposes internet blackouts in Gaza so it could also be likely that word just hasn’t made it out. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-hit-by-telecoms-blackout-israeli-tanks-advance-2025-09-18/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-hit-by-teleco...
- pfexec 1y agoSounds like boomer-speak for they sent one of those full-screen SMS messages (aka 'flash SMS') with a link to a livestream. You guys read too much Tom Clancy. If spammers can do it and send me links to phishing sites so can one of the most technologically-proficient governments. You really think they would waste multiple 0-days on some bullshit like this?
- themafia 1y ago> too much Tom Clancy. Isn't this is the nation that planted explosives into pagers? I think they're the ones reading too much Clancy. > so can one of the most technologically-proficient governments. How would you feel if China did this to your nation? Would you marvel at their proficiency or perhaps focus on the complete lack of diplomacy it displays?
- yonisto 1y agoI would feel that the responsible adult that was in charge of my protection is doing a lousy job. So he should surrender and spare us the war. How would you feel? Insulted?
- themafia 1y ago> the responsible adult that was in charge of my protection So you're infantilizing an entire nation to make this point? > So he should surrender and spare us the war. Do you have any measure on this sentiment among the population currently? If it is, as it is in so many places, that the leaders actions are detached from the will of the voters, then what should we make of this? Should they be allowed to surrender to a _neutral_ party? Should they be allowed to keep their state? Is there any reason not to presume a peaceful negotiation under these terms? Is there any reason to attempt to assassinate the party trying to coordinate this? > How would you feel? Insulted? Violated. These are _our_ emergency broadcast services. They should be used for the intended purpose and not to force an angry political message on a powerless population. Do you not have any good faith in yourself for this topic?
- yonisto 1y agoEvery phone in Israel got a special message when missiles from Iran were fired. No application, no nothing, just by the virtue of being connected to to an Israeli phone cell tower (it worked even on imported phones) My understanding that it is a standard feature, this is how earthquake warning works in Japan. Point being there is no "hacking" involved. Standard feature
- pityJuke 1y agoWith all that being said, I'd consider that a gross misuse of emergency functionality.
- hdgvhicv 1y agoA warning to take shelter from incoming missiles seems quite reasonable use of emergency broadcast systems to me.
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- Forgeties79 1y agoI believe he’s talking about using it for Netanyahu’s speech
- Slow_Hand 1y agoI don't like having missiles fired at me, but if it's going to happen, an emergency warning would be greatly appreciated.
- pityJuke 1y agoAs someone mentioned, I’m talking about the parent context i.e. using it for Netanyahu’s speech.
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- dylan604 1y agoHow come the more I hear about what Israel or Israeli companies can do with our devices makes me just not want to use a device at all? Maybe my tinfoil hat is too tight? Why are they so bold with their abilities while other countries are not? Are they just that much better, or are other nation states just better at keeping quiet?
- yonisto 1y agoThe later. While I applaud Israel capabilities the are not unique. USA and china has more mony, talent and access to the hardware/software that is actually used to build the networks
- tonyhart7 1y agoboth 1. israel cyberarmy is just better 2. they dont need to hide it anymore (where US and china do it may gain unnecessary publicity)
- bigyabai 1y agoYou probably took your security for granted? I'm being perfectly serious, RCEs like this are table-stakes for modern cyber-warfare.
- solarpunk 1y agoCyber-warfare probably shouldn't involve the entire civilian population's phones.
- _aavaa_ 1y agoIf factories filled with civilians are fair game for conventional attacks in total war. Why not cyber attacks on cell phones and electronics needed by the civilians to do those same jobs?
- spwa4 1y agoA state (or a carrier, in theory), doesn't need RCEs to do this. In every phone, the "actual phone", what talks to cell towers, is a separate system called the Baseband. It is a full computer, storage, memory, encryption, ... and it is under the control of carriers and through them of law enforcement and the like. It is also where the microphone and mostly the cameras are connected. The baseband then passes them through to the UI, like android or IOS. It's how carriers enforce disabling wifi when mobile data is active unless you pay extra, for example. But it can copy the sound of a phone call to separate channels, or copy the data being sent (even on wifi), or it can activate emergency messages or broadcasts. It can also transmit audio and video when the phone is not actually in a call. That sort of thing. In practice there are a great many different basebands and of course most states couldn't be bothered to actually write a decent system to use them (well, they tried forcing carriers to do it for them, but anyone who ever worked at a large carrier on a big project can tell you how that went), so only lowest common denominator features are in practice accessible. That means location and getting audio. But nothing is stopping countries from implementing more. I bet the NSA has something with a lot more features, for example.
- Aeolun 1y agoI feel kind of weird that Netanyahu was allowed to give a speech from the UN HQ. It’s rather like allowing Putin to do so.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> rather like allowing Putin to do so Putin has treaty rights to attend the General Assembly, same as Netanyahu. Neither are under legal threat in the U.S. as we never signed the Rome Statute that established the ICC.
- toast0 1y agoHe's the head of state of a member country. Afaik, all member countries have a slot to give a speech at the general assembly. There's probably a slot for observer states and other acknowledged non-member states as well. I don't see why Putin would be prohibited from making a speech in the time alloted for speeches either? He's the head of state of a member country as well. And it's one of the permanent members of the security council, so among equal peers, it's more equal. Russia's slot is currently listed as Saturday morning [1], I don't know who will speak. [1] https://www.thenationalnews.com/news/us/2025/09/15/un-general-assembly-2025-schedule-trump-gaza-al-shara-new-york/ https://www.thenationalnews.com/news/us/2025/09/15/un-genera...
- righthand 1y agoMamdani has said once elected he will arrest Netanyahu if he returns.
- dlubarov 1y agoHe didn't mention any legal basis for the thread. A city major can't exactly overrule congress and sign the Rome Statute.
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- ottah 1y agoYou don't have to hack anything if you control ip routes. A simple redirect like a captive portal could accomplish something like this. Israel can either own the gateways or own the spectrum.
- pfexec 1y agoNo one has mentioned that "hacked" appears nowhere in the tweet and seems to be editorializing on the part of the submitter.
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- gmuslera 1y agoBesides the reality of this or not, the order of events is misleading. If they were able to do so, then the taking of control happened long ago (and maybe not just in Gaza), and used this opportunity to send that message to them. And that wasn't the main goal of taking control.