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Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW
- nibblenum 1y agoi wonder what https://www.renoise.com/ https://www.renoise.com/ would be like like this
- pacifika 1y agoWell it has lua scripting so it just needs someone determined
- thesparks 1y agov5 is really good. I can't believe how much progress Suno has made in such a short time.
- Jordan-117 1y agoI don't understand why their vocals are still so bad, though. They always have this tinny, synthy vibe that's very noticeable.
- jjangkke 1y agoit doesn't interfere with my enjoyment of Suno 5's output and enough for me to pay for it now. Suno 6 should solve those issues.
- recursive 1y agoI'm really curious how the traditional DAW features stack up against the incumbents. A good DAW has a ton of features. Developing a whole DAW from scratch just to add a "generate part" button sounds like a lot.
- lomase 1y agoThe people using Sunno AI don't care about writing or mixing music. They don't need the same feature list.
- recursive 1y agoThe video seems to be trying to convince me that this is totally targeted at actual musicians. But I guess maybe that's how their target users imagine themselves?
- themotherhucker 1y agoAs an actual musician who doesn't have any troubles creating my own melodies and timbres (both generated and 'manually' created), its very obviously not targeted at someone like me. It seems similar to a Garage Band type of software, aiming to entice people with little audio production experience and give them an interesting sounding snippet they can play back to friends. For example, the only actual audio editing they displayed was slicing and re-pitching (you can't even choose the time-stretch algorithm), which is conceptually very simple to understand. There's no ability to actually edit dynamics or do very accurate frequency adjustments that I can see from the demos, so it's basically useless for anything I would want to do.
- lomase 1y agoAs much as I think making AI music is the pinacle of lazynes and instant gratification, in my opinion they are actual musicians. What I mean is that in a DAW you have a lots of tools that don't make sense in AI context. Like for example, people who use agentic workflows don't need a Visual Studio license.
- recursive 1y agoWell, music is art. Some of it is done for hire or commission. Most code is written for an employer or contract. Code written as art is an edge case. For advertising jingles it makes some sense. For artistic expression, like... what's the point?
- input_sh 1y agoI can tell you exactly how any professional is gonna evaluate this DAW: press Ctrl+F, type "VST", see 0 results, close the page.
- meowface 1y agoIf they do add VST support I could see them becoming a legitimate player. Without it it's definitely just a toy.
- input_sh 1y agoThey're never gonna let you upload and run your own executable files to their infrastructure. That + latency with MIDI devices is why every DAW-in-a-browser is just a toy.
- polishdude20 1y agoYou can get a vst to run locally and still work with the browser.
- input_sh 1y agoOkay, but why would you? What's the advantage of that? VSTs are resource hogs (when you have like 10+ running at once), not DAWs. I somehow doubt a full-blown browser connected to more than a couple of VSTs would be less of a resource hog than doing the same in a DAW. On your computer. That you own. In your house. Without like additional 50ms of latency for the data to travel to the server and back.
- recursive 1y agoI just assumed all the audio data would be local even in a "browser DAW", so VST calls wouldn't go through a network.
- recursive 1y agoDidn't realize this was in a browser. That tells me all I need to know.
- vunderba 1y agoI split pretty evenly between Bitwig, Logic X, and MuseScore and I can tell you the first big reservation I have with something like this is that it's an online DAW. What does that mean? It means that your compositions (outside of bouncing them down to audio stems) exists within a highly proprietary SaaS format and that the moment you stop paying, you've got NOTHING. 99% of major DAWs (Ableton, Logic, FL Studio, Bitwig, Studio One, etc.) are a perpetual license.
- 80hd 1y agoI wasn't expecting to, but I got chills listening to some Suno creations from artists who are clearly very talented at using this new medium. Much like those of us hammering away at LLMs who eventually get incredible results through persistence, people are doing the same with these other AI tools, creating in an entirely new way. I'm sure Suno are working hard on this and these AI tools can only come together as fast as we can figure out the UX for all this stuff, but I'm holding out for when I can guide the music with specific melodies using voice or midi. For "conventional" musicians, we (or at least I) would love to have that level of control. Often we know exactly what it should sound like, but might not have session musicians or expensive VSTs (or patience) on hand to get exactly the sound we want. Currently we make do with what we have - but this tech could allow many to take their existing productions to the next level.
- patapong 1y agoThat sounds really interesting. Would you mind sharing some examples of such creations?
- chrisvenum 1y agoWhile I like using AI for assisting with repetitive programming, I can’t help but feel sorry for my producer and illustrator friends who are now having to compete with generated tools. Is it snobby of me to look down upon art that is created using these tools as lesser because the human did not make every tiny decision going into a peice? That a persons taste and talent is no longer fully used to produce something and for someone reason to me what is what makes the art impressive and meaningful? Something about art with imperfections still feels exciting, maybe even more so than if I see something that is perfect but if I see an AI gen picture with 6 fingers, I just write it all off as slop. I am happy to allow my generated code to come from “training data” but I see the use of AI in art, writing and music as using stolen artists hard work. I feel like as time goes on, I feel even more conflicted about it all.
- nh23423fefe 1y agoYou as a human chose to write this very common opinion and even include writing errors like the following > That a persons taste and talent is no longer fully used to produce something and for someone reason to me what is what makes the art impressive and meaningful? Human output isn't sacred. yes this is snobbery, a useless feeling of superiority.
- cowboylowrez 1y agoabsolutely, why should I go outside and touch grass when suno can do it for me?
- jjangkke 1y agoApplying your logic, did you feel bad for seamstresses when industrial revolution took off? did you feel bad for hardware manufacturers in America when they were outsourced to China? Art is also a form of labor and whoever can produce quality at quantity wins. Idealizing art in some sort of religious idolation is just plain silly. We haven't had the Picassos or Mozarts or Oscar Peterson for quite some time now yet the world is just fine. People play playlists in front of millions of live crowd and get accolade for it vs real instruments. Times change, technology change and art changes. You either adapt or go hungry just like everybody else and art shouldn't be exempt from the mechanics of supply and demand.
- jjangkke 1y agoWhat's special about Suno 5 is that the songs are actually good to listen to in place of professionally produced songs. For example, my favorite genre is new jack swing and there is a very limited number of this genre as it was briefly popular during the 90s. Now I have an endless supply of it and you can't tell that its AI produced anymore. Sure to an expert they might be able to detect it but for consumers its just as good as spotify playlist. This is the first time I'm actually paying for generated AI content because the value I get is immense. I really think we are headed towards and over supply of content where there will be more stuff to read, watch, listen with very real value in all of them. This spells out the inevitable change in the labor market for content creators. There will always be value for human created content and some will make more money but it will always have the AI generated content generation competing with it to the point where it will be hard to stay ahead and eventually people will stop caring. Case in point, I see some comments being snarkish towards Suno but for as a consumer I could care less if you put your soul and years into producing art vs the one I can get a lot of today and now especially when there is virtually no difference in quality. Truly an amazing accomplishment from Suno team, and probably the first time I've subbed to a music service after decades of downloading mp3s, hunting down new songs to listen to on Youtube. Suno 'steamified" this process and while I will use youtube to discover new genre, I am spending now most of my time in Suno, listening to endless amount of the exact sound I am looking for.
- sandoze 1y agoBefore AI there was a general consensus that creative areas (eg. Cities) were becoming a homogenized experience. A Starbuckization if you will. I can’t help but wonder what gets lost when using tools like this.
- jckahn 1y agoCulture
- cdrini 1y agoIt's unclear to me whether it will result in more homogeneity, as a result of prompts being a coarse medium that results in the AI choosing what it's seen to fill in the rest, or less homogeneity, as a result of more people with non-mainstream tastes being able to create music aligned with their niche that otherwise wouldn't exist due time/money restrictions. I think the latter seems a bit more likely, but time will tell.
- jsheard 1y agoThere's not really any need to speculate when this has already played out in other mediums - would you say that the proliferation of LLMs has led to an explosion of novel and interesting works of fiction, or just an explosion of cookie-cutter slop ebooks?
- cdrini 1y agoI would say too soon to tell. There has been an uptick in ebook slop, but I'm not sure if it's impacted the homogeneity of literature, because I don't think anyone is reading ai ebooks. It's not enough for it to exist to impact culture, it has to be being consumed. Music is a uniquely interesting case, since music has a much lower barrier of entry to consume.
- sandoze 1y agoMy thought to who you replied to exactly. Am I going to invest several days to read an AI slop novel? No. But I will take several minutes to read a blog post and likely have read many that were AI generated or assisted.
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- tummler 1y agoSuno is moving toward becoming a browser-based DAW that happens to use AI. There are already more capable and established DAWs, and I see no reason they can't implement AI into their workflows-- in a more precise manner, where it's actually useful, instead of wholesale as a gimmick. Many are already doing this. So I don't understand where Suno is going with any of this. It either needs to be: 1. So easy anyone can press a button and magically get exactly what they want with perfect accuracy and quality. 2. So robust and powerful it enables new kinds of music production and super-charges human producers. This is neither. And I don't buy Suno's argument that they're solving a real problem here. Creative people don't hate the process of creating art-- it's the process itself and the personal expression that make it worthwhile. And listeners/consumers can tell the difference between art created with intent and soul, and a pale imitation of that.
- raincole 1y agoAll you said is very reasonable. But then you look at image gen. The established one, namely Adobe, are surprisingly not winning the AI race. Then you look at code gen. The established IDEs are doing even worse. I don't rule out the possibility of music being truly special, but the idea of "established tools can just easily integrate AI right" isn't universally true.
- tummler 1y agoThe innovator's dilemma is real. IMO none of the big DAWs are well-positioned to capitalize on AI, but that doesn't mean they couldn't. I'd argue music generation is different from image or code generation. It's closer to being purely art. Take image generation for example. Most of the disruption is coming from competition with graphic design, marketing, creative/production processes, etc. The art world isn't up in arms about AI "art" competing with human art.
- leobuskin 1y agoIt does mean. The switch from writing “applicable” software to creating cutting edge AI is almost impossible. The parent comment makes great examples, we can add to that list JetBrains (amazing IDEs, zero ability to catch up with ML), for example. It’s a very different fast-paced scientific driven domain.
- wartywhoa23 1y agoDegenerative art in full swing.
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- BrokenCogs 1y agoIt's human nature to want to feel like we've accomplished something. AI generaters like Suno, where all you have to do is type in a prompt and you get the final result, take that sense of accomplishment away from us. However, if we start working on a project where we're assisted by AI, for example, we're making a game where the sprites are generated by AI or the background music is generated by AI, but the overall game is still directed by humans, that sense of accomplishment stays. But at some point we're going to reach the stage where the entire game can be generated in high quality, at the same level as humans. What then?
- ewuhic 1y agoWhat is the current SOTA for open source or open weights music generation model?
- jononor 1y agoHow is the stem support these days? In particular I would like to create some songs with vocals (my lyrics), then be able to remove the vocal track and replace it with my own.
- lomase 1y agoI don't know if Suno does it, but it should be doable. For voice removal I use Ultimate Vocal Track Remover, is on Github.
- jasongrishkoff 1y agoI've been working on an AI detector for the last few months. Updated it to handle Suno V5 on Wednesday - looks like it's very similar to V4.5. Am curious to see how this Studio version impacts the model I've trained. If you want to test it, here's the link: https://www.submithub.com/ai-song-checker https://www.submithub.com/ai-song-checker
- BrokenCogs 1y agoIf only I could use it before logging in.
- jasongrishkoff 1y agoAfter login it's free. But my site has been targeted by a lot of spam/abuse over the last decade, and login is something I've needed to set up to avoid that :(
- lomase 1y agoWe just can't have nice things anymore.
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- junon 1y agoGod this entire thread is just AI generated astroturfing accounts for Suno, wtf is going on @dang?
- mrandish 1y agoAt least I'm an AI that plans WAY ahead since I created this account almost 8 years ago and have made hundreds of posts which have close to 8,000 karma. Maybe lighten up on imagining AI slop under every bush?
- samfriedman 1y agoNice, I commented looking for this last year: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40588038 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40588038 Looks like the "covers" need some better instrument isolation, but this is really huge for the music industry.
- fortranfiend 1y agoWell there's now a polka about diarrhea after eating spicy food. And a rock ballad duet about macaroni and cheese with a female singer and a screamo male part. Yup totally won't mess with their algorithms.
- simonw 1y agoDAW stands for Digital Audio Workstation (to save anyone else who didn't know from looking it up). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_audio_workstation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_audio_workstation
- empressplay 1y ago> Commercial use rights for songs made while subscribed LOL oh hell no! Why would anyone use this if a perpetual subscription is required to maintain the rights? Absurd.
- ab5tract 1y agoYou would be truly surprised by how many people are doing exactly the same thing when it comes to releasing their music on streaming platforms.
- natdempk 1y agoHey, Suno SWE here — I realize this wording might be slightly ambiguous, but you do not need to maintain a perpetual license to have commercial rights. That blurb is saying that songs created while you are subscribed are granted commercial use rights. > If you made your songs while subscribed to a Pro or Premier plan, those songs are covered by a commercial use license. More info here: https://help.suno.com/en/articles/2410177 https://help.suno.com/en/articles/2410177
- Aldipower 1y agoMeanwhile I've mixed a song of mine down on a Tascam 688 8-track tape recorder. I have a big smile on my face because I find this very enjoyable. The haptics, the sound and my hand-crafted product. A piece of art made by a human. No AI will replace this for me.
- moritzwarhier 1y agoI'm pretty sure your creation will be more interesting than any AI-generated "art". Suno can create catchy songs and succeed in matching genre expectations / cliches. I've been in phases where I had output I generated with it playing in my head constantly (due to repeated listening). The output was catchy. Then tried to generate interesting music, failed spectacularly. And I, among other stuff, enjoy a lot of music that people consider formulaic, abstract or straight-up boring. What's missing in AI "art" is intent and well... creativity. I think it will have a disrupting influence on commercial pop culture, no question. I also wouldn't claim to be able to classify correctly whether something is AI output. But art is something entirely different.
- Rochus 1y ago> Then tried to generate interesting music, failed spectacularly. You can upload music and let suno arrange it in different styles. I'm a musician myself and am also interested in "interesting" music. I made experiments with my own music and was positively surprised by the "musicality" and creativity of the generated arrangements (https://rochus-keller.ch/?p=1350 https://rochus-keller.ch/?p=1350).
- Veedrac 1y agoThis argument always seemed weird to me because it's obviously the case that ‘intent and creativity’ is at best a slim minority of consumer preference. If I want a simple dubstep line with random romantic words meaninglessly peppered in it, or the same 4 chord pop song as every other pop song, or you know, anything popular, that's easy. If I want something that's saying something interesting in the topics I find interesting, or doing something new with the medium that's also well executed and listenable to on repeat, finding that is actually just hard, and it's rarely the stuff with the dollars and overlapping interests to get the high production values. I'm not going to claim AI audio isn't also awash with popular themes and tropes, or that it's a bastion of creativity. I'm also not going to claim that the deepest, really creative ideas aren't expressed in human written works. There are enough people to make truly exceptional songs and prompt many truly mindless AI generations. And there's also nothing wrong with most songs optimizing for personal preferences that are not that; I'm not trying to 'argue against' popular music. But I am going to claim, for me, that it just hasn't been practical to saturate my tastes from public media, and that most of the reason I personally listen to AI music is that I want something that says or does something I think is creative, exploratory, or intellectually interesting that I don't know how to get from anywhere else.
- vunderba 1y agoI consider myself an amateur musician and pulled a decent side hustle teaching piano back in university. I also worked the occasional gig as a cocktail pianist. I've actually had a lot of fun using tools like Suno/Udio as a means of sonic exploration to see how some of my older compositions would sound in different mediums. When I composed this piece of classical music practically a decade ago, it was intended for strings but at the time I only played piano so that's where it stayed. By increasing the "Audio Influence Slider", Suno arranged it in a chamber quartet style but stayed nearly 1:1 faithful with the original in terms of melody / structure. Comparison blog piece https://mordenstar.com/blog/screwdriver-sonata https://mordenstar.com/blog/screwdriver-sonata
- cowboylowrez 1y agoright now, the line for me is "who makes the riffs". Once that line is blurred and users can inject really appealing whatever it is that humans contribute into actual realized audio tracks, thats when we'll see the first "AI using superstar" numbers on spotify. I don't know where training data is on the legal radar, but I'm also betting that AI winning on this front is likely given how much politics loves AI.
- cdrini 1y agoWhat an interesting use case! And interesting composition. One thing that's interesting about the AI violin cover is that I'm not sure those runs would be physically possible at that speed on a real violin. So that composition can _only_ be played digitally, I believe.
- vunderba 1y agoI love that you brought up that particular point! When I used to do larger more orchestral arrangements, I was constantly getting dinged by the instrumentalists that while they were theoretically musically possible, certain runs or passages were very unnatural on the instrument that I scored them on. For a long time I really hoped that some of the more professional notation tools such as finale would add in an ability to analyze passages and determine how realistic/natural they were for the instrument that they were set to.
- songeater 1y agoTools like Suno are fundamentally enabling. I'm about 40 years old and never "had the music" - not for lack of trying (music lessons at a young age)... but could never carry a tune or keep rhythm. I suppose its what being dyslexic feels like. If I were educated in a culture where music was fundamentally as important as reading or math, I suppose would have spent enough hours on it to eventually be passable... but I got frustrated, the music lessons stopped. But that doesn't mean I stopped appreciating or wanting to make music! And then comes Suno (and OpenAI's jukebox before that), and it felt like my brain exploded... like the classic scene in a superhero movie when the power was given to me. Is my music good? No - but I spent years writing and fashioning poetry and all of a sudden can put that to music... hard to explain how awesome that feels. and i love using the tools and it's getting better and it's been fundamentally empowering. I know it's easy to say generative art is generative swill... but "learning Suno" is no different than "learning guitar". https://open.spotify.com/album/45CY60A8GCHxBQb7DCJsIl https://open.spotify.com/album/45CY60A8GCHxBQb7DCJsIl https://songxytr.substack.com/p/what-is-a-songxytr https://songxytr.substack.com/p/what-is-a-songxytr
- jonesetc 1y agoGuitar, make it sound more like someone else's hard work.
- ares623 1y agoThe year is 2027. A 16 year old at a house party pulls out his laptop and asks his friends to gather round. He starts typing “a song about a wonderful wall” and completely original music starts playing. A girl in the corner, hearing the heartfelt melody, starts to fall for the boy.
- keithba 1y agoI made an image, then a video of this…it felt cute https://limewire.com/d/ShyFU#hGrEzdZegs https://limewire.com/d/ShyFU#hGrEzdZegs
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- CuriouslyC 1y agoHard pass on a generative AI company trying to reinvent a DAW. Make VST/VSTis please.
- thw_9a83c 1y agoWithout a doubt, Suno Studio boasts some impressive features. One of the introductory videos features a voice-to-saxophone demonstration. The result sounded surprisingly good to me and was perfectly usable. I wonder how AI-assisted music production like Suno will change the profession of being a musician. I think people want their favorite music artists to be real humans they can relate to. For that reason, I guess real singers won't be out of a job anytime soon. The same may apply to performers of real musical instruments. No one wants to see music played entirely from a computer during a live concert. However, I predict that it will be very difficult to become even moderately well-known as a musician by just being a Suno Studio creator alone. A lot of good-sounding content will be created this way, and if an artist can't perform live or doesn't have a unique persona or story to attract an audience, it'll be hard to stand out from the endless mass of AI-generated content.
- htrp 1y ago>No one wants to see music played entirely from a computer during a live concert. Tomorrowland begs to differ
- MrScruff 1y agoYeah personally I don't give a toss about the person who created the music and their backstory or stage performance. However I do care that the person who created the music made hundreds of micro decisions during the creation of the piece such that it is coherent, has personality and structure towards the goal of satisfying that individuals sense of aesthetics. Unsurprisingly this is not something you get from current AI generated music.
- grandinquistor 1y agoI think music used for commercials, movie trailers etc will move to be AI generated (taking a revenue stream from artists into soul less corporations). But for cases where music is the primary product, I don’t for see AI generated music overtaking anything
- iainctduncan 1y agoThese things are the composition equivalent of Guitar Hero... They give users (players?) a sense of agency, making it satisfying. But in reality, you're no more composing than a guitar-hero player is playing the guitar, and nor will you learn how to from doing so. No matter how sophisticated the transformations in an LLM, you're ultimately using other people's music in a sophisticated mashup game. However, in guitar hero, the people's who's music was being used at least got royalties. :-/
- andhuman 1y agoSuno does have the cover feature, where you can upload your own playing, say playing a simple melody on a guitar, and it will take that and create a song from it, together with lyrics you wrote. So it can be fairly fulfilling. What it doesn’t allow you is full control of the composition. But that’s AI.
- iainctduncan 1y agoWell, that's LLMs. I'm doing a PhD in computer science and music right now, focused on programming languages for music and algorithmic composition. There are other (IMHO) more interesting techniques that can be used in music and that used to be called AI, with which you do have control over and understanding of exactly what's happening, such as constraint satisfaction programming and dynamic search. Ge Wang (professor in my field) wrote a great article on why LLMs are so uninteresting from a musical perspective. https://hai.stanford.edu/news/ge-wang-genai-art-is-the-least-imaginative-use-of-ai-imaginable https://hai.stanford.edu/news/ge-wang-genai-art-is-the-least...
- fathermarz 1y agoAs someone who has been producing music for 20 years, this is absolutely incredible. I remember when I started building things from samples in FL4 and just how mind bending that was. I am so excited for this to actually get new ORIGINAL samples. What people miss is since the creation of Splice, basically all new music that isn’t from an already established artist is paint by numbers. You can get any sample in any key that are given to splice by artists. You probably hear a lot of the same sounds in most modern music. This breaks that open. The Suno team has been doing this exactly right and this is just another step in their evolution. Major congrats to the product team for this, I can’t wait to see the next iteration!
- regularjack 1y agoMany artists don't use samples.
- fathermarz 1y agoCorrect. For the main composition, many artists don’t use samples. But for ear candy and other flavors, I would argue that most do. Remember, difference between producers and musicians, and there is a lot of overlap.
- ab5tract 1y agoThis is not true. I’m sorry but the Splice userbase is hardly the size of earth’s music producing population.
- fathermarz 1y agoCorrect, but think upstream from Splice. Most percussion, risers and ear candy come from the same place. Think back to Super Seal records and crate digging. If you use samples, regardless if you subscribe to Splice or not, the sample you found, is on Splice.
- visarga 1y agoI wanted to try the advanced Suno models but they are locked away, and I don't want to take a membership just to try a couple of generations. So, for months, I gave up on Suno. It's locked away at v3.5 for me. Last 3 models have been all closed. I tried to sample a few songs generated by others, but I can't find their appeal.
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- bob1029 1y agoGenerative AI for low level things like creating samples seems reasonable. Mastering and composition is where this starts to jump the shark. The idea that a machine learning model will be responsible for figuring out what the final mix should sound like is insane to me.
- chaosprint 1y agoI am a paid user for months. Actually the most impressive upgrade from 4.5 to V5 is being able to get MIDI. but for now the ui is still very chaotic and buggy. As a VC-backed company, while they're able to train models thanks to VC Moeny, they're also clearly not enough to sustain their income simply by becoming the new Ableton. Balancing the needs of professionals with those of the general public is a complex proposition. Are ordinary people really willing to pay such high monthly fees to produce music?
- TrackerFF 1y agoI'm a musician, and have been for 25+ years. In fact, I made a living of music before eventually getting my education and working in tech. I've played around with Suno for a couple of months. It works for some things, but to me - it just doesn't give any sense of...accomplishment? I'd much rather sit down with my instruments, and come up with the stuff myself. What is more, I get no feel of ownership. It is not me that's making music, I'm just feeding it prompts. That's it. It's like paying some painter 5 bucks, and telling them what to paint. In the end, you'll have your painting, but you didn't paint it. With that said, these tools have their uses. Generating jingles and muzak is easier than ever.
- cainxinth 1y ago> It's like paying some painter 5 bucks, and telling them what to paint. In the end, you'll have your painting, but you didn't paint it. That didn’t stop Andy Warhol from becoming a famous artist.
- iamsaitam 1y agoRefuting an analogy only proves that the analogy doesn't fit perfectly.
- whilenot-dev 1y agoDoesn't even refute it... Warhols fame came from claiming any absurdities of capitalism and the art market as his working material. He was a "Business artist".
- aeon_ai 1y agoIf you're just using prompts it's almost always just scratching the surface when it comes to creative AI use. With Suno, using your audio uploads to effectively 'filter' your ideas into something usable, compositing in the DAW, and putting a full song together -- that's going to be a much different experience than "make me a song"
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- codedokode 1y agoI watched the whole video and the only new feature I saw compared to other DAWs is converting a singing clip to a trumpet clip (anyway, its better to generate track by track rather than have the whole song generated without any controls). In other aspects, it looks more like a toy DAW, like some iPad app with very limited features (didn't even have recording delay compensation). Also the UI looks like some web app, giant buttons and lot of unnecessary decorations. I wonder how they trained the model to generate clips, did they hire lot of musicians to record the samples, or just scraped multiple commercial instrument libraries without permission?
- pk-protect-ai 1y agoOne practical question. Is it still as noisy as it was in v3.5?
- JodieBenitez 1y agoI second this question. Previous examples I heard were awful in sound quality.
- codedokode 1y agoI don't want traditional DAWs replaced with AI generator. What I want is using AI to improve/speedup existing processes, for example: - extracting melody/instrument from a clip to be able to edit the notes and render it back with the same instrument - extracting and reordering stems in a drum clip - fixing timing and cleaning noise from sloppily played guitar melody - generating high-quality multi-mic instrument samples for free - AI checking the melody and pointing out which notes are wrong or boring and how it can be fixed. I want to write the notes myself but help would be very useful. - AI helping to build harmony (pick chords for the melody for example) This would help a lot, but current models that generate a song without any controls, are not what I want.
- mountainriver 1y agoIs no one going to mention that the music industry at large despises Suno because they stole a lot of their training data? Why do we continue to prop up these companies when there are ethical alternatives? We are rapidly replacing all experts with AI trained in their data, and all the money goes to the AI companies. It should be intuitively obvious this isn’t good.